The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I don't understand what problem an interior electronic release for a car door solves. If it was overly strenuous to pull the little lever, or you're really desperate to show off your clever engineering, make it power assisted like brakes or electronic steering racks. But serious, is a door handle actually ugly or hard to use?

You can get rid of a lot of parts. You only need a solenoid and switches if it is electronic, so assembly is cheaper and quicker. The problem it solves is entirely financial.


But they require an emergency lever. It need only attach by cable to the same point the solenoid acts on. The risk then becomes as Photon mentions, opening the door without dropping the window and breaking it. So you don't want someone accidentally pulling it, and that's how Tesla got where they are. The solutions all involve cost and complexity. They could use a door with a frame, but that has more parts. They can't lock the pull from working in normal circumstances, because you could never ensure it unlocks when needed. So they hid it.


It's a solvable problem, but not when your constraints all rely on using fewer parts and saving money.

[Bill Bumface]

I really don't see how it's fewer parts. You still have an entire manual system to open the door, just with a cheaper handle. This is in addition to the electronic system that has 2 buttons/sensors (interior/exterior) as well as a more complicated release mechanism that needs to operate via electronic solenoid and manual release cable.

These were not complex or expensive things before. They are now.

[photon]

In my previous car the manual release was in the car itself rather than the door.. which kind of implies to does something to the car portion of however the latch works rather than the door portion, now I wish I would have looked to see I'm curious how it worked.

In that car the button to pop the door was going bad and the first time it happened and I tried to use the manual release I found out I was too fat to reach it. I either had to roll down the window and use the exterior door button or almost crawl into the passenger seat to be able to get into a position to reach. Realizing I could die in an accident because I was too big to reach the door release was pretty good motivation to make some changes lol.

Given how many people could never figure out how to get in or out of that car I guess the only real benefit is it's harder to steal because you can't figure out how to get in?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I really don't see how it's fewer parts. You still have an entire manual system to open the door, just with a cheaper handle. This is in addition to the electronic system that has 2 buttons/sensors (interior/exterior) as well as a more complicated release mechanism that needs to operate via electronic solenoid and manual release cable.

These were not complex or expensive things before. They are now.

It's far easier to route an electrical wire than it is a mechanical connection though. And because of that, manufacturers can basically have the same system of switches and actuators in every model, and just route the wire as needed. Whereas with full mechanical systems, they have to be designed more carefully. That's why the emergency mechanical releases are often in dumb spots, because they put them where it's simplest and cheapest to connect it.

Flush electronic handles also reduce drag slightly, so they can make sense for EVs where they're trying to squeeze out as much range as possible for a given battery size.

Really, this is a regulatory issue more than anything. The fact that companies are able to get away with some of the safety issues (both for occupants and pedestrians) that they are is an abomination.

[Fuzz]

I want to say it's an extra special Friday treat that opendoor has weighed in on the subject.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It's far easier to route an electrical wire than it is a mechanical connection though.

Not really. Car latches typically use the equivalent of a bicycle brake cable, and besides bending radius limitations, they aren't much different than routing wiring.

[schteve_d]

There is also the issue of someone being able to access (save) your unconscious ass from the outside.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Not really. Car latches typically use the equivalent of a bicycle brake cable, and besides bending radius limitations, they aren't much different than routing wiring.

A system that rarely fails and is cheap as hell - therefore it must be replaced.

[Fuzz]

The moment Elon Musk discovers CSAM drives engagement. Well, he's celebrating the outcome, I'm not sure he's entirely aware of the extra search traffic being related to people in shock that X is actually hosting and generating CSAM. He probably assumes it's people liking him again. Sorry Elon, nobody likes you. That hasn't changed.

[puffnstuff]

Grok is producing ~6,700 sexually suggestive or nudified images per hour

• Twitter (X) is now the top deepfaking site in the world

• Women who speak out become targets of users

• Victims say there's no recourse. Their images are still up despite reports to X

[Fuzz]

Yup, and they still think they are getting more attention from people because they are so good at Ai-ing, not because, you know,how horrific it all is and wondering why people aren't in prison for it.





Just clueless toadies.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bs.../3mbw425fscc2s


From the comments:

It’s telling that they assume POC will treat white people they way they treated brown people for centuries.

If you buy a Tesla, you are supporting a white supremacist. That's not an accusation, it's a fact backed by verifiable evidence.

[Drak]

Charles Manson preached the same.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Drak

Charles Manson preached the same.

It's such unbelievably loser stupid mentality, it belies that these people are the ultimate cowards, fearing everything in life.

The reasoning and logic leap is such: We treated them badly, so inevitably they will treat us worse! So to counter this, we must treat them worse!

It's absolute insanity. It's so obviously a negative feedback loop that can only end in Genocide in either direction. It's straight up anti-human.

[KelVarnsen]

I’m still looking forward to to the day this thread is bumped with the news Elon died

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I’m still looking forward to to the day this thread is bumped with the news Elon died

I hate to break it to you but...Elon is a 9000 Year-Old Lizard-Man.

So...safe to say, not in our lifetimes.

Also he drinks the blood of children to remain youthful.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you buy a Tesla, you are supporting a white supremacist. That's not an accusation, it's a fact backed by verifiable evidence.

Sadly, people who already own them and those who own other EVs are still stuck using Tesla Superchargers and Destination chargers, of which a small amount of the revenue will flow back to him.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Sadly, people who already own them and those who own other EVs are still stuck using Tesla Superchargers and Destination chargers, of which a small amount of the revenue will flow back to him.

Ya, and I get for some a full boycott is a burden. I know Starlink has few current competitors, and is often by far the best choice. I'm not going to hold those necessities of convenience and cost against people.


But if you have a Xitter account, or have bought a Tesla in the past year and a half, you are absolutely knowingly, willingly funding a white supremacist who has vowed to fund Trump and Republicans in the future to continue their fascist expansion. For EV's there are options now. Choosing a Tesla is choosing this future. And you are, without doubt, a horrible person for making that choice.

[TorqueDog]

I'll stop short of making that judgement, but it definitely shows a complete lack of taste in and knowledge of cars.

As Hanlon's Razor goes, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by one being a f-cking idiot". Slightly modified for my purposes.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'll stop short of making that judgement, but it definitely shows a complete lack of taste in cars.

The Model Y sure is an ugly duck, isn't it? CyberFrump.