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Old 12-30-2025, 11:07 AM   #17781
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Do we think Carolina is on Ras' No Trade List?
No, I don’t believe so.
I’d question whether they’re on the “sign an extension” list though
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isn't that the michigan wolverines? Fleece the Red Wings?
Pretty sure the dlineman was clowney. We must be picking up a clown.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:15 AM   #17783
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Do we think Carolina is on Ras' No Trade List?
Carolina does not need Ras. I get that he is a RD but they just don't have room for him unless they move someone. They commited long term to Miller and Slavin is their best dman and Nikishin is on the verge of being their best dman. 1 of them is going to have to play their off side as they are all too good to be 3rd pairing. Ghost is playing well enough and his cap hit is great that they just don't need Ras.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:18 AM   #17784
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I thoroughly believe Andersson will be dealt before the Olympic break. I don't like Serivalli much but I believe him this time. Mostly because of his certainty about the information he had. .
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:22 AM   #17785
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It’s because we are all full of ####.
I love the Gifs, I love the tidbits. It keeps this thread interesting. However, when stuff doesn't come to fruition, and someone is frustrated, that person should refrain from speaking in a state of emotional compromise. If someone doesnt like the gifs, they should stop skip over them. If someone doesn't like what someone says, stop reading etc. This thread is big enough for everyone to get something they like, but its exhausting seeing the endless mud throwing when someone says something that person doesn't like. I find its turning this thread toxic.

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Carolina does not need Ras. I get that he is a RD but they just don't have room for him unless they move someone. They commited long term to Miller and Slavin is their best dman and Nikishin is on the verge of being their best dman. 1 of them is going to have to play their off side as they are all too good to be 3rd pairing. Ghost is playing well enough and his cap hit is great that they just don't need Ras.
I'm not sure Carolina would agree.

Miller, Slavin, Nikishin, Ghost, is elite on the left side, and sure you can move one of them from the left to the right. It's crazy they are in 1st with Slavin only playing 5 games.

But even with that...Chatfield, Walker, Nystrom, is not great depth to fill out the other two spots on the RH side.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:29 AM   #17787
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Is anyone saying no to Coleman and Andersson for Nikishin, Nadeau, and KK?

Andersson for Nikishin is fair straight up. It's already been pointed out by SM18 how weak they are on the right side. They aren't trading Slavin or Miller, both newly extended. Walker is good, but Andersson would be a better top pairing player. And Ghost is ideally a better 3rd pairing guy with 1st PP time. Fine partner with Chatfield.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:31 AM   #17788
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Is anyone saying no to Coleman and Andersson for Nikishin, Nadeau, and KK?

Andersson for Nikishin is fair straight up. It's already been pointed out by SM18 how weak they are on the right side. They aren't trading Slavin or Miller, both newly extended. Walker is good, but Andersson would be a better top pairing player. And Ghost is ideally a better 3rd pairing guy with 1st PP time. Fine partner with Chatfield.
Carolina. Nikishin is on the verge of being a superstar.
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If Conroy trades the Flames leading scorer and top five most popular player for KK and a late 1st he will be run out of town by the actual fanbase. I think we’ve lost touch with reality if we think Flames will do that under the current circumstances. Blake likes it here and wants to be here, and has not asked for a trade.

As an arm chair GM I like that package as the basis for a trade, but I measure these things in vacuum that doesn’t include casual fans and the business of the team.

We’re more like Ultras. We feel we are entitled to something (we’re not) and that the Flames owe us something more than entertainment (they don’t). It’s just a commercial product that they are offering take it or leave it.
I'm sorry but there is no business case for keeping Coleman. If that is the level of their strategic thinking, God help us all.
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No, I don’t believe so.
I’d question whether they’re on the “sign an extension” list though
His team has a list of teams. IMO its not pretty.

Confirmed teams so far Carolina, Colorado, Las Vegas, Dallas, Florida (state wide).

Some of these teams are willing to go short term bigger dollar. Some don't make sense trade wise. Some think they can wait till free agency and are throwing hot garbage at the flames VEGAS.

His rental market has like 12-14 teams.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:34 AM   #17791
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I'm not sure Carolina would agree.

Miller, Slavin, Nikishin, Ghost, is elite on the left side, and sure you can move one of them from the left to the right. It's crazy they are in 1st with Slavin only playing 5 games.

But even with that...Chatfield, Walker, Nystrom, is not great depth to fill out the other two spots on the RH side.
Nikishin is going to be elite. Needs 22-24 mins a night. He's a rookie and they have sheltered him so far, but over time he needs more ice.

Miller has played fine this year.

Slavin when he is back is their shut down dman. Needs to play.

Ghost has been great and is cheap.

Why pay big assets when you have a great PP dman and 2 upper end dmen and Miller who is a very good 2nd pairing player and is young and is locked in for 8 years? Makes 0 sense. Their d is their strength and they are an elite team despite Slavin not playing.

They could use Kadri more than Ras.
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Carolina. Nikishin is on the verge of being a superstar.
And who is he replacing? Slavin? Miller? Unless one of them are going to their off-side, sure feels like Carolina can't allocate ice time to everyone.
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I love the Gifs, I love the tidbits. It keeps this thread interesting. However, when stuff doesn't come to fruition, and someone is frustrated, that person should refrain from speaking in a state of emotional compromise. If someone doesnt like the gifs, they should stop skip over them. If someone doesn't like what someone says, stop reading etc. This thread is big enough for everyone to get something they like, but its exhausting seeing the endless mud throwing when someone says something that person doesn't like. I find its turning this thread toxic.

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The thing that fans need to remeber come June: the team that ends up drafting McKenna, Stenberg, Verheoff - they’re in that position because they embraced it. They accepted short term defeat for the larger good.

If the Flames aren’t there, it was managements choice. They have the ability to choose that path right now.

Inaction is them choosing not to be there. If we draft 9th instead of 3rd, and we have Coleman and Kadri? The math is simple, management chose not to give the team that draft opportunity and they should be judged on that.
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Hard to believe that people in the know may want to take some vacation time around the holidays with their families, eh?
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:43 AM   #17796
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Why are people suggesting we trade for KK? He will be a whipping boy 2 games in Flames silks.
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Old 12-30-2025, 11:45 AM   #17797
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Why are people suggesting we trade for KK? He will be a whipping boy 2 games in Flames silks.
Because it was noted in a Carolina rumour tweet that LA wasn’t willing to take his contract on, and I speculated that the Flames probably would be willing to take him on as a cap dump.
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The thing that fans need to remeber come June: the team that ends up drafting McKenna, Stenberg, Verheoff - they’re in that position because they embraced it. They accepted short term defeat for the larger good.

If the Flames aren’t there, it was managements choice. They have the ability to choose that path right now.

Inaction is them choosing not to be there. If we draft 9th instead of 3rd, and we have Coleman and Kadri? The math is simple, management chose not to give the team that draft opportunity and they should be judged on that.
I don’t really buy the argument that picking 9th instead of 3rd is some kind of disaster. The draft isn’t won or lost by one slot, especially when the odds are stacked against you anyway. Lottery luck has never exactly been on our side, so banking on jumping spots isn't guaranteed.

What does matter is volume. More picks = more darts at the board. And honestly, our scouting staff has earned the benefit of the doubt. Look at the players they’ve found in recent years. they clearly know how to identify talent. I’d much rather have multiple picks in the top 64 range than put all our hopes into one high pick and pray the lottery goes our way.

Let the scouts cook. That’s how you actually build something sustainable. I'd love McKenna/Stenberg/Lawrence, they're more likely to be franchise-altering. At this point, that seems like a best-case scenario. I've learned we aren't exactly very successful with odds like that unless you're the franchise up north. We can increase our odds at franchise players with more darts thrown with our current scouting crew.
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The thing that fans need to remeber come June: the team that ends up drafting McKenna, Stenberg, Verheoff - they’re there because they embraced it.

If the Flames aren’t there, it was managements choice. They have the ability to choose that path right now.

Inaction is them choosing not to be there. If we draft 9th instead of 3rd, and we have Coleman and Kadri? The math is simple, management chose not to give the team that draft opportunity and they should be judged on that.
That’s not actually true. You’re just looking for someone beyond the players to blame.

It’s not as simple as you make it. Teams that don’t do anything to compete or move top players end up better than they seemed they would be, and teams that did everything to be a contender end up falling far, far short.

Especially with the lottery in play. Some teams at the bottom probably embraced it, some didn’t, and some were somewhere in between.

You’re free to judge whoever for whatever you want, but I see no value in priming a reason to be angry in June in January. Sounds miserable.
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I'm sorry but there is no business case for keeping Coleman. If that is the level of their strategic thinking, God help us all.
Not sure I agree. Coleman and Backlund always help players on their line. Young player - put them with those two. Struggling player - put them with those two. I don't know how you measure the value of that - but there is value.

And if they don't trade him this year, they can trade him at the deadline next year. Hard to know what the value difference would be.

To be clear, I'm in favor of dealing him. But it's not insanity to keep him for some of those reasons.
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