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Old 12-26-2025, 01:43 PM   #17341
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We need to trade Coleman, Kadri, Andersson, Weegar, Kuznetsov, Brzustewicz, Coronato, Honzek, Parekh, Reschny and Wolf RIGHT NOW so we can have a chance at getting a 25% chance at drafting a good player.
Just a tad bit of an overreaction don’t you think?
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Old 12-26-2025, 01:46 PM   #17342
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We need to trade Coleman, Kadri, Andersson, Weegar, Kuznetsov, Brzustewicz, Coronato, Honzek, Parekh, Reschny and Wolf RIGHT NOW so we can have a chance at getting a 25% chance at drafting a good player.
That is the clear path to success and drafting #1OA for the next 8 years. Too bad the Oilers ruined the draft and forced the league to implement rules preventing us from drafting #1OA all the time.

We should also trade the players away as we draft them so we can keep drafting high forever.
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Ya everyone making comments about it still being a lottery just ignore the fact that drafting 2-5 is still massive…
I guess if you didn’t get Mackinnon you don’t want barkov?
Or if you don’t get Tavares you don’t want Hedman. Makes sense…
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I think Ras is an obvious trade.

You can make the case that Coleman is 1.5 years away from leaving the team so it makes sense to move him now at peak value if a great offer comes in. He's loved, but a move like that for an exciting prospect and pick would be defensible.

Kadri is a lot less defensible. Last night I was chatting with a casual fan that has corporate season tickets. He was shocked at the idea of trading Kadri. It made zero sense to him. I was surprised.

He's a good old boy oil patch guy, wears a Kadri blasty to the games with pride.

That's the kind of fan and reaction the Flames are worried about.

I know there are season ticket holders and high rollers here on this forum, this next comment is NOT directed at them.

That Kadri fan with the four good seats at the Dome, and all the food and Bev dollars he spends, and all the jerseys he buys guests, is worth about 100 of us normie fans to the Flames.

That's why Flames/Malonney/Conroy are so cautious about hyping up a rebuild. And it's why they won't move Kadri IMO until one of the kids (not in net) eclipses him.
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Old 12-26-2025, 02:11 PM   #17345
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I think Ras is an obvious trade.

You can make the case that Coleman is 1.5 years away from leaving the team so it makes sense to move him now at peak value if a great offer comes in. He's loved, but a move like that for an exciting prospect and pick would be defensible.

Kadri is a lot less defensible. Last night I was chatting with a casual fan that has corporate season tickets. He was shocked at the idea of trading Kadri. It made zero sense to him. I was surprised.

He's a good old boy oil patch guy, wears a Kadri blasty to the games with pride.

That's the kind of fan and reaction the Flames are worried about.

I know there are season ticket holders and high rollers here on this forum, this next comment is NOT directed at them.

That Kadri fan with the four good seats at the Dome, and all the food and Bev dollars he spends, and all the jerseys he buys guests, is worth about 100 of us normie fans to the Flames.

That's why Flames/Malonney/Conroy are so cautious about hyping up a rebuild. And it's why they won't move Kadri IMO until one of the kids (not in net) eclipses him.
That guy bought gaudreau and tkachuk jerseys before that and previous to that he bought iggy jerseys. He'll be just fine.
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Just a tad bit of an overreaction don’t you think?
Just trying to keep in focus that no matter how hard we tank, there is still a lottery to win
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Old 12-26-2025, 02:26 PM   #17347
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That guy bought gaudreau and tkachuk jerseys before that and previous to that he bought iggy jerseys. He'll be just fine.
I don’t think you can just wave away those kinds of concerns. Attendance is already down. It’s easy for us on the forum to say that casual fans will accept a prolonged uncompetitive team because of the long term gains but e don’t have a bottom line to protect.
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Ya everyone making comments about it still being a lottery just ignore the fact that drafting 2-5 is still massive…
I guess if you didn’t get Mackinnon you don’t want barkov?
Or if you don’t get Tavares you don’t want Hedman. Makes sense…
Then make a case for picking 2nd if you don't win the lottery and pick 1st. There's a reason your list of players stopped at the 2nd overall pick both times. Why didnt you continue with 3rd-5th as was your premise?

Jonathan Drouin, Seth Jones and Elias Lindholm didn't hammer home the point you were trying to make?

The most talent is at the top of the draft, the very top. Once you're out of that 1-2 range you typically have great talent but needs work. Outside of that it just keeps dropping. Stop pretending that the best way of getting potential star players isn't drafting at the top of the draft. Hell even that isn't a guarantee, but it's the best bet.

Trying to sneak in picks theee four and fifth overall to make your point is just ruins the credibility of your argument
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Old 12-26-2025, 02:30 PM   #17349
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Andersson hasn't been traded yet, not because of his performance this year, but because there is a sticker price on him no one has met yet. One game or some random interview is not changing that at all.

Conroy and co. have time on their side at this point and truly zero need to accelerate things....thats just fan angst speaking.

IMO there will be a lot of talk/movement right before the Olympic break , though injuries could change that timeline too.
Kings met the price but they wanted an extension
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Old 12-26-2025, 02:32 PM   #17350
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That guy bought gaudreau and tkachuk jerseys before that and previous to that he bought iggy jerseys. He'll be just fine.
Maybe. But sustained suckage and no bonafide big names might turn him off supporting to that extent.

I worked at a place with season tickets 10 years ago and it was largely on me to use the tickets, host prospects and clients. Even well into the Johnny and Sean era it was hard getting people out.

We hard core fans were excited about that groups of kids but for the casual fan, 'Flames suck' was all they knew.

I guess we'll see. Not much competition in Calgary for sports entertainment in the winter, so there will always be that advantage for the Flames.

[just checked, it was from 2008 to 2018 we had tickets - times flies]

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Old 12-26-2025, 02:54 PM   #17351
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Then make a case for picking 2nd if you don't win the lottery and pick 1st. There's a reason your list of players stopped at the 2nd overall pick both times. Why didnt you continue with 3rd-5th as was your premise?

Jonathan Drouin, Seth Jones and Elias Lindholm didn't hammer home the point you were trying to make?

The most talent is at the top of the draft, the very top. Once you're out of that 1-2 range you typically have great talent but needs work. Outside of that it just keeps dropping. Stop pretending that the best way of getting potential star players isn't drafting at the top of the draft. Hell even that isn't a guarantee, but it's the best bet.

Trying to sneak in picks theee four and fifth overall to make your point is just ruins the credibility of your argument
There are lots of great players from picks 3-5, the fact is, the worse your record, the better chance you of have of picking good player.
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Then make a case for picking 2nd if you don't win the lottery and pick 1st. There's a reason your list of players stopped at the 2nd overall pick both times. Why didnt you continue with 3rd-5th as was your premise?

Jonathan Drouin, Seth Jones and Elias Lindholm didn't hammer home the point you were trying to make?

The most talent is at the top of the draft, the very top. Once you're out of that 1-2 range you typically have great talent but needs work. Outside of that it just keeps dropping. Stop pretending that the best way of getting potential star players isn't drafting at the top of the draft. Hell even that isn't a guarantee, but it's the best bet.

Trying to sneak in picks theee four and fifth overall to make your point is just ruins the credibility of your argument
Ok? Jonathan Toews was drafted 3rd, Backstrom was a 4th, Stutzle is arguably the best of the top 3 in his year, Heiskanen was a 3rd and Makar was a 4th.

You dont get Ekblad, but you get Draisaitl at 3. Just because its not 1st or 2nd overall doesnt mean the odds of getting a good player aren't higher than at 12-16...

We see every single year how hard it is to move up in the draft into the top 5, theres a reason for that...
Just saying theres a ton of value even if the pick isnt 1st...

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Points percentage we are third last right now. Flames are on track to get a top pick and that is with the 3 tradables in the lineup.
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Ya everyone making comments about it still being a lottery just ignore the fact that drafting 2-5 is still massive…
I guess if you didn’t get Mackinnon you don’t want barkov?
Or if you don’t get Tavares you don’t want Hedman. Makes sense…
No
We need to trade them right now no matter what the return

We’ve held on to all of our vets for too long, haven’t moved any of them for years

We need to guarantee as low a pick as possible for as many drafts as possible

That’s the only way we will win
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Points percentage we are third last right now. Flames are on track to get a top pick and that is with the 3 tradables in the lineup.
True but that is mostely based on the first month record...Flames are a top 10 team since November 11th or something (I heard it on the radio, forget the exact date)
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Points percentage we are third last right now. Flames are on track to get a top pick and that is with the 3 tradables in the lineup.
That is because of a horrendous start that had them as the very worst team league wide winning 2 of their first 13. They have played at a 96pt pace since over a quarter of the season (last 24 games). They need to move these guys or they will likely push for the 8-13th pick
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Those games earlier in the season still count.
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Those games earlier in the season still count.
We get it but 10 games will effect your overall standing more after 40 games than it will after 82 obviously
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I don’t think you can just wave away those kinds of concerns. Attendance is already down. It’s easy for us on the forum to say that casual fans will accept a prolonged uncompetitive team because of the long term gains but e don’t have a bottom line to protect.
It's down because fan apathy is setting in.

We're not just bad, but we're a boring team.

Most casual fans can't name the "star(s)" on the Flames, because there aren't any, and are tired of the same old.

The worst thing they could do for attendance is try to maintain. They really need to lean into this.


Once we get a dynamic young guy that flirts with PPG excitement will build up quickly again.
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True but that is mostely based on the first month record...Flames are a top 10 team since November 11th or something (I heard it on the radio, forget the exact date)
Games like the last one against Edmonton should tell Flames management and ownership everything they need to know about the direction of the team.

Mid team that can play up or down for the most part, but against the top teams? They’re outclassed in every facet.

Trade deadline can’t come soon enough so we can see our tradeable assets moved and let gravity do its part for the rest of the season.
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