Wasn't Cap like a 100 years old at the end of infinity wars?
This whole thing smells like desperation. They probably had a plan for the new avengers, then the latest Captain America movie completely bombed and the Avengers TV series bombed and they did the old somehow Palpatine . . . errr Captain America came back.
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Wasn't Cap like a 100 years old at the end of infinity wars?
This whole thing smells like desperation. They probably had a plan for the new avengers, then the latest Captain America movie completely bombed and the Avengers TV series bombed and they did the old somehow Palpatine . . . errr Captain America came back.
I mean, both time travel and a multi-verse have been established, so they’re not exactly locked into wherever we last saw someone.
I’m skeptical TBH, but the Russos have earned the grace to be open minded for me. For some reason, they just have a knack for making it make sense in a satisfying way when it comes to this stuff.
I mean, both time travel and a multi-verse have been established, so they’re not exactly locked into wherever we last saw someone.
I’m skeptical TBH, but the Russos have earned the grace to be open minded for me. For some reason, they just have a knack for making it make sense in a satisfying way when it comes to this stuff.
Im assuming they'll pluck him out of the 40's and bring him back to present day, setting up a big battle with Him and "Tony/Doom" with everyone confused why he looks like Stark. The whole resetting of the MCU multiverse saga.
Im assuming they'll pluck him out of the 40's and bring him back to present day, setting up a big battle with Him and "Tony/Doom" with everyone confused why he looks like Stark. The whole resetting of the MCU multiverse saga.
There's a lot of different things that could happen. I'm guessing Cap's choice to stay in the universe where he married Peggy somehow leads to the Tony of that universe becoming Doom. Maybe his parents are killed when he's younger and he's orphaned or something.
Doom could be trying to pull universes together, or destroying all but his own, or maybe wanting to land where Tony died and replace him.
It's pretty limitless, which is why it will be tough to pull something together that makes satisfying sense. If it gets too far up its own butt, people will check out. But the Russos seem to consider the Avengers story to be Caps story more than anyone's, so whatever happening I'm guessing it's pretty connected to that Cap specifically and his choice, and not just going to be a "we need a Captain America so go get him for the final battle!"
Everything about this looks like it's going to be the worst crime against historical accuracy in a long while. Those armours and color schemes aren't even a little bit in the ballpark.
I mean sure, it's a myth, but it's a myth set in certain time, place and culture. None of that gives me even a little bit of ancient mythic Mediterranean vibes. I really don't see Odyssey as a story that was asking for a gritty realism interpretation with a black and brown color schemes.
Kinda cheap and plastic looking too, there's game cutscenes with more convincing armor than that.
Not a great excuse. With a Hollywood budget, you could build a ship. Historical ships and boats are typically built by amateurs with at best a museum budget. I literally know people who built a viking ship like that on their spare time.
It’s a myth set in a certain time, place, and culture, which included a bunch of historical inaccuracies like weapons, armor, and cultural influences that came 500+ years after the period in which it was set.
I studied ancient literature in university and I still just could not bring myself to be bothered by any inaccuracies if I tried. It’s different than studying history. That wasn’t the point of these poems and myths when they were written and I think you’re missing the point if you think it should be now. Historical accuracy is neat but doesn’t necessarily make a good piece of entertainment (see: the very boring Northman from an otherwise pretty great director).
If you think this is historically inaccurate you should probably avoid O Brother, Where Art Thou? lol
Everything about this looks like it's going to be the worst crime against historical accuracy in a long while. Those armours and color schemes aren't even a little bit in the ballpark.
I mean sure, it's a myth, but it's a myth set in certain time, place and culture. None of that gives me even a little bit of ancient mythic Mediterranean vibes. I really don't see Odyssey as a story that was asking for a gritty realism interpretation with a black and brown color schemes.
Kinda cheap and plastic looking too, there's game cutscenes with more convincing armor than that.
Not a great excuse. With a Hollywood budget, you could build a ship. Historical ships and boats are typically built by amateurs with at best a museum budget. I literally know people who built a viking ship like that on their spare time.
Ugghh, the Phaeacians give him a ship for the journey home, they are mythical. Why would mythical (advanced seagoing) people be required to have the same boats as greeks at the time? You are making a judgement on a movie based on 15 seconds of a scene in which you have no context, perhaps the 3 hour long film will answer your questions.
You probably complained that the character in Jumanji was a sexist representation based on the trailer, only to find out the movie used it to make fun the stereotype.
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Wasn't Cap like a 100 years old at the end of infinity wars?
This whole thing smells like desperation. They probably had a plan for the new avengers, then the latest Captain America movie completely bombed and the Avengers TV series bombed and they did the old somehow Palpatine . . . errr Captain America came back.
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Running it back to peak casting after 6 years isn't quite as awkward as exhuming a character's grave to reanimate its corpse 35 years later.
For better or worse, the multiverse was always gong to give them that option.
It’s a myth set in a certain time, place, and culture, which included a bunch of historical inaccuracies like weapons, armor, and cultural influences that came 500+ years after the period in which it was set.
I studied ancient literature in university and I still just could not bring myself to be bothered by any inaccuracies if I tried. It’s different than studying history. That wasn’t the point of these poems and myths when they were written and I think you’re missing the point if you think it should be now. Historical accuracy is neat but doesn’t necessarily make a good piece of entertainment (see: the very boring Northman from an otherwise pretty great director).
If you think this is historically inaccurate you should probably avoid O Brother, Where Art Thou? lol
Sure, artists can do whatever, but my main problem is that those are really boring and lazy generic choices and it looks like crap overall.
Also Oh Brother is a terrible analogue, I don't even get why you think that's a point in your favor. That movie is very clearly set in a specific setting, and looks pretty good for what it's trying to do and what the budget was.
If you wanna do a pure fantasy look, you do you, but there's never an excuse to look boring and bad, especially for a big movie that's in the top 50 most expensive ever list.
If you want to use a Viking ship use a Viking ship, but if you're literally doing it just because it was easy and convenient then what you're saying is you don't care.
If you want to use a Viking ship use a Viking ship, but if you're literally doing it just because it was easy and convenient then what you're saying is you don't care.
I’m sure it’s not easy or convenient to get (probably multiple) actually sea-worthy boats that look at least semi-accurate to something from thousands of years ago, and then bring those boats to whoever you need to film, and then insure you’re project to allow you have a handful of your multi-million $ stars to actually be allow to be on that ship while it operates. The logistics required to execute a period accurate ship in camera for something from before Christ is actually insane. Building it from scratch is literally the only option. Then you need a period accurate designer and have it certified sea-worthy. And you probably need at least 3 of them all with the ability to rig cameras for the shots you want and carry crew people etc…
Like, what do people want? If you’re going to harp on stuff like this you will only be given CGI slop. So you’re either okay with some things that might not fit the time or place, or watch a documentary. Are you concerned about the language they’re speaking? I don’t think it’s Ancient Greek.
Sure, artists can do whatever, but my main problem is that those are really boring and lazy generic choices and it looks like crap overall.
Also Oh Brother is a terrible analogue, I don't even get why you think that's a point in your favor. That movie is very clearly set in a specific setting, and looks pretty good for what it's trying to do and what the budget was.
If you wanna do a pure fantasy look, you do you, but there's never an excuse to look boring and bad, especially for a big movie that's in the top 50 most expensive ever list.
If you want to use a Viking ship use a Viking ship, but if you're literally doing it just because it was easy and convenient then what you're saying is you don't care.
I’m sure it’s not easy or convenient to get (probably multiple) actually sea-worthy boats that look at least semi-accurate to something from thousands of years ago, and then bring those boats to whoever you need to film, and then insure you’re project to allow you have a handful of your multi-million $ stars to actually be allow to be on that ship while it operates. The logistics required to execute a period accurate ship in camera for something from before Christ is actually insane. Building it from scratch is literally the only option. Then you need a period accurate designer and have it certified sea-worthy. And you probably need at least 3 of them all with the ability to rig cameras for the shots you want and carry crew people etc…
Like, what do people want? If you’re going to harp on stuff like this you will only be given CGI slop. So you’re either okay with some things that might not fit the time or place, or watch a documentary. Are you concerned about the language they’re speaking? I don’t think it’s Ancient Greek.
Don't you feel silly defending a movie with such obvious strawmen?
Master and Commander brought a much bigger and massively more complicated ship on screen without being "CGI slop." Great movie btw, highly under-appreciated.
Clearly Nolan doesn't give a crap that he uses one of the most instantly globally recognizable ship types from an obviously completely different region and era. Any boat is clearly good, as long as it's seaworthy. It's pointless auteur wankery in my books, but if you don't care then don't.
In my books might as well put an F-15 in a WW2 movie while you're at it, after all they're much more commonly available these days. A real plane is a real plane and that's what matters!
In any case, I'm just making fun of Odysseus in a Viking ship and a Batman costume. If you don't care that it looks ridiculous, that's great, just go see it and don't mind me.
Don't you feel silly defending a movie with such obvious strawmen?
I'm not. I work in production design for film and was trying to give context for why having a period accurate ship thats really on water may be an almost impossible challenge and much more difficult than just "get the right boat". Is there anyone alive that could even design and build one? How long would it take? Budget is high but no unlimited, nor is time.
I do think that Nolan can paint himself into a corner sometimes by insisting on the practical. Could have augmented the ship with cgi to get it closer at least. Same thing happened with the Oppenheimer explosion IMO. You can make a CGI scene that still gives epic scale and looks real if you give the team enough time.
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Master and Commander brought a much bigger and massively more complicated ship on screen without being "CGI slop." Great movie btw, highly under-appreciated.
Clearly Nolan doesn't give a crap that he uses one of the most instantly globally recognizable ship types from an obviously completely different region and era. Any boat is clearly good, as long as it's seaworthy. It's pointless auteur wankery in my books, but if you don't care then don't.
In my books might as well put an F-15 in a WW2 movie while you're at it, after all they're much more commonly available these days. A real plane is a real plane and that's what matters!
In any case, I'm just making fun of Odysseus in a Viking ship and a Batman costume. If you don't care that it looks ridiculous, that's great, just go see it and don't mind me.
Master and Commander's ship is thousands of years newer than an Ancient Greek one, and there are some that still exist and are sea worthy (the Rose was built as a replica of the Surpise in the 70's). It actually is much closer in time to an F-15 than it is to an Ancient Greek ship.
Anyways people can go anyway they want on it, just wanted to shed some light on the logistics and why it might easier said than done.
I don't have strong feelings about a boat but if the cyclops and Scylla aren't completely historically accurate I'm probably gonna do a January 6th on Nolan's house.
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