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Old 12-24-2025, 07:27 AM   #17241
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We need to blow it up, and games like this just highlight this even more clearly. What is the point of trying to sneak in and getting smoked by a team with superstar players.

And I am aware we traded a bunch of vets on expiring contracts 2 years ago, but it is not enough. Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman are stealing us games and hurting the tank. They are all high in demand and should be worth a lot.

It is sad, I do not want to trade Anderssson even. But all 3 need to go. We should be actively tanking if we want to compete one day for a cup. I just don't see any argument for keeping these players.
The nice thing is no one is really tanking yet this season and only Vancouver started selling, so you could almost secure at least second last


And the other nice thing is that there seems to be 3 or 4 players that are roughly the same level, so if you are in this range, it doesn't matter if you win the lottery, you take whoever is left and hopefully get an elite player

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Old 12-24-2025, 07:46 AM   #17242
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He is more untradeable then Huberdeau
well the good news is that Brad hasn't given up on the season so maybe he will take on both. On a serious note, Matthews is lost without Marner. If you put Huby on his left flank, that could unlock him again. Make him take on Sharky as part of the deal.

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Old 12-24-2025, 07:51 AM   #17243
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well the good news is that Brad hasn't given up on the season so maybe he will take on both. On a serious note, Matthews is lost without Marner. If you put Huby on his left flank, that could unlock him again. Make him take on Sharky as part of the deal.

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Yea who would have thought Marner was the glue in Toronto.
Hubby could very well be a fit, and Brad is on the chopping block so he may be stupid enough to do it.
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If you can find a suitor he would get an insanely good return, a much more better one than Andersson too.
What makes you confident in making this statement? Weegar has been pretty awful this season, while Rasmus has taken his game to another level.
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Old 12-24-2025, 08:03 AM   #17246
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well the good news is that Brad hasn't given up on the season so maybe he will take on both. On a serious note, Matthews is lost without Marner. If you put Huby on his left flank, that could unlock him again. Make him take on Sharky as part of the deal.

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The funny thing is that might actually make sense - the Huberdeau part

The problem is how can you make it so Toronto can work it into their cap

If you took Domi and Jarncrok you get to $6million . Assume Flames were willing to retain $2million a year , that still leaves Toronto 2.5$ million short

Really hard ignoring other factors to even get a salary cap complaint trade to work
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Yea who would have thought Marner was the glue in Toronto.
Hubby could very well be a fit, and Brad is on the chopping block so he may be stupid enough to do it.
I don't know about Marner being the glue. But if you take a 100 point player and replace him with a 30 to 40 point player, there is going to be a huge drop off. Especially when the player you lose is one of the best play making wingers in the league.
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What makes you confident in making this statement? Weegar has been pretty awful this season, while Rasmus has taken his game to another level.
Cap hit, with the certainty that you have a player locked into 6.25m for 5 more years. I would argue that's more value than what we'd get for Andersson. I doubt it happens, but it's a thought.
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We are not starving for cap space and in fact currently will need that 10.5 to hit cap floor when the others are traded. He may not be worth the value but he is a good “pro” vet and will be fine in the long run to have around the young guys.
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The nice thing is no one is really tanking yet this season and only Vancouver started selling, so you could almost secure at least second last


And the other nice thing is that there seems to be 3 or 4 players that are roughly the same level, so if you are in this range, it doesn't matter if you win the lottery, you take whoever is left and hopefully get an elite player
The Canucks traded a player who needed to be traded, and got current assets back.

They haven’t shown they are selling yet.
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Old 12-24-2025, 09:41 AM   #17251
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Johnston and LeBrun with their predictions on a few players.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/691...shared_article

LeBrun: Vegas Golden Knights

There’s always a chance that the Flames re-sign the pending UFA, top-four right-handed defenseman. But it’s not the likeliest outcome at this point.

Why a trade to Vegas? Well, to start, it came pretty close to happening in June. And in my mind, the Knights still have a hole in their lineup from Alex Pietrangelo missing the season. The problem is that Vegas would have to find a new way to entice the Flames, as the Knights have traded away some of the players who were in the June trade discussion (such as Nicolas Hague to the Nashville Predators).

But here’s another reason I like Vegas as a fit: The Flames know that in a perfect world, they trade Andersson with an agreement that he’ll sign an extension with his new team, to augment the trade return. Andersson was willing to extend with Vegas in the summer as part of a potential trade. Let’s see both clubs revisit this scenario then.

Johnston: Los Angeles Kings

Another team that explored a trade fit for Andersson last summer, the Kings remain a sensible destination with a blue line that could use a jolt. He’s produced much more offensively than any current Los Angeles defenseman this season and brings a swagger to go with his all-situations ability.

What isn’t clear is whether Andersson would consider signing an extension with the Kings after he showed a reluctance to do that when the teams spoke last offseason. The price needed to get the Swede out of Calgary will likely be steep, especially for a team looking at him as a rental.

Still, veteran Kings general manager Ken Holland has never shied away from taking a big swing during his Hall of Fame career.
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I don't know about Marner being the glue. But if you take a 100 point player and replace him with a 30 to 40 point player, there is going to be a huge drop off. Especially when the player you lose is one of the best play making wingers in the league.
It want really his fault in Toronto but funny Tre did it twice.
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Old 12-24-2025, 09:43 AM   #17253
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The biggest problem with NOT selling isn't necessarily because we want to lose games on purpose (although I do). It's to sell on a 'high' - being their value will never be close to this high again.

Rasmus Andersson - Expiring deal and playing the best in his career - this is a no brainer. We don't want Ras on a big contract.

Blake Coleman - 2 yrs left and 34 yrs old. He is playing great and there are a lot of contenders and pretenders this year that would love him for 2 playoff runs. His value diminishes when you only get him for 1 playoff run. Also, at 35 yrs old, there's a good chance his performance dips. Value goes from a 1st rounder to a 2nd (at absolute best).

Nazem Kadri - Still playing great hockey at 35 yrs old. Center position is at a premium right now because nothing is available. As soon as Nazem's play dips (and it will), he is not very tradeable. How many of us were calling Nazem at 33/34 untradeable when his play wasn't as high with many yrs left in his deal? Right now, you get a 1st + for 35 yr old Naz. If his play dips next year (I assume it will), you may not even get a 2nd for 36 yr old Naz if you don't retain.

Basically, if we don't sell now, we will be punching ourselves for holding the bags. It's tough to sell at highs but it hurts way more to be the one holdings the bags (stock market analogy). It's not like Naz and Blake are 29 yrs old. At 35 yrs old, production looks good until it doesn't - and it can drop fast.
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Johnston and LeBrun with their predictions on a few players.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/691...shared_article

LeBrun: Vegas Golden Knights

There’s always a chance that the Flames re-sign the pending UFA, top-four right-handed defenseman. But it’s not the likeliest outcome at this point.

Why a trade to Vegas? Well, to start, it came pretty close to happening in June. And in my mind, the Knights still have a hole in their lineup from Alex Pietrangelo missing the season. The problem is that Vegas would have to find a new way to entice the Flames, as the Knights have traded away some of the players who were in the June trade discussion (such as Nicolas Hague to the Nashville Predators).

But here’s another reason I like Vegas as a fit: The Flames know that in a perfect world, they trade Andersson with an agreement that he’ll sign an extension with his new team, to augment the trade return. Andersson was willing to extend with Vegas in the summer as part of a potential trade. Let’s see both clubs revisit this scenario then.

Johnston: Los Angeles Kings

Another team that explored a trade fit for Andersson last summer, the Kings remain a sensible destination with a blue line that could use a jolt. He’s produced much more offensively than any current Los Angeles defenseman this season and brings a swagger to go with his all-situations ability.

What isn’t clear is whether Andersson would consider signing an extension with the Kings after he showed a reluctance to do that when the teams spoke last offseason. The price needed to get the Swede out of Calgary will likely be steep, especially for a team looking at him as a rental.

Still, veteran Kings general manager Ken Holland has never shied away from taking a big swing during his Hall of Fame career.
Vegas doesn't have any assets we would want. I just don't see a fit there for us.
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Nine months after trading a 1st, a 4th, and one the Maple Leafs’ top prospects (Minten) for Brandon Carlo, the Wizard is trying to shed him as a potential cap dump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2003646816127234263
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Nine months after trading a 1st, a 4th, and one the Maple Leafs’ top prospects (Minten) for Brandon Carlo, the Wizard is trying to shed him as a potential cap dump.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2003646816127234263
The Bruins did so well in that deal my goodness. What an overpay this was by Treliving. A ridiculous trade. Honestly Minten and a 1st would have been good for Andersson.
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Quite the scoop. Flames will keep Andersson on an under market contract. Shocking
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What could he make a stink about? Hey you're paying me way more money than I'm worth for way to long. Hey my play dropped off a cliff even before my contract started. Hey I'm top line and top powerplay still. Hey I play nearly 20 minutes a night.

The only reason he's not a complete disaster for the team is because they suck right now so it really doesn't matter but I also don't think we need to pretend like he's doing anything other than the bare minimum.
He could sulk and be a locker room cancer like James Neil was. He could just float around doing nothing and set a poor example to our young players, since he's guaranteed to get paid and will never sign another NHL deal. He could actively try and sabotage the coaching staff, spew nonsense in the media, and create divisions in the locker room because he's upset about playing on a bottom feeder team that focuses on Defense-first.

I'm no fan of the Huburdeau contract and fully agree that he's the most overpaid player in the league, but the situation could be far worse than it is. He's generally maintained a positive attitude throughout his time in Calgary and reinvented his game into a more physical, modern power forward style (versus the pure run and gun style he played before). It was a terrible signing and we're not getting rid of him, but he's not actively hurting the team - especially since we have tons of cap space and the cap is expected to go up considerably over the next 5 years.
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Ahahahahahaha. Power forward. Ahahaahhahaahaha
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