[GT] Flames@ the Stinkin No Goods

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You cant use one measurement for your ordering (points percent) and then say they are x points behind. You are mixing metrics. You have to use one or the other. If you saying they are a certain points out of a playoff spot you have to sort by points.

No.

Points percentage is literally the only way to rank teams when teams have played different amounts of games.

The Flames were 3 points back of San Jose, who were in fact holding the final wild card spot based on points percentage.

Utah's points percentage was worse than San Jose's, because they played 2 extra games. They were therefore in a worse position than San Jose, and therefore did not hold the wild card spot.

Calgary to San Jose was an apples to apples comparison because the games played were equal. Therefore it was correct to say the Flames were 3 points out of a playoff spot.

And the more interesting thing here is, the most important piece of context seemed to be lost by all of you accusing me of getting this wrong. You never mention that the Flames 1-7-1 start was mostly due to horrible scheduling. Since then, the Flames were (coming in to tonight) 14-10-3, so it was not a stretch to think this is more in line with the team's abilities. Take that points pace and apply it to the rest of the season, the Flames finish with 86 points. Not enough for playoffs, but certainly enough to lose out on a great player in the draft.

So yes, team tank had reason to be concerned. If tonight is a one-off and they go back to playing well, there will still be cause for concern.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who’s asking or hoping for that?
Oh right. No one

Maloney and maybe Conroy

[Enoch Root]

No.

You were wrong. Just own it and move on.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Maloney and maybe Conroy

Back to making things up. Got it

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No.

You were wrong. Just own it and move on.

Really clever and original response. Good job.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Back to making things up. Got it

So they are not hoping for the playoffs ?

That’s new to me

Or you are the one that make up ####

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Really clever and original response. Good job.

I don't know how else it can be explained though.
If you are making a statement that Team A is X points out of a playoff spot, the only way to sort the standings is by points.
If you wanted to use points percentage, you would have to say Team A is y% out of a playoff spot when sorted on that basis, to try to normalize for games played. Which is a valid way of doing it.

But you can't sort by percentage and then say how far behind a team is using points. Your statement becomes false because another team had more points, that you aren't counting because of how you sorted.

It's just not an accurate way of looking at things.

Again you can look at it by points percentage if you are stating how far the team is behind on that basis, and sorting that way.

Or you can look at it by accumulated points if you sort by that and state how far the team is behind on that basis.

You can't mix it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So they are not hoping for the playoffs ?

That’s new to me

Or you are the one that make up ####

I'm sure they would prefer to make the playoffs, but it sure doesn't seem like they are putting much effort into that goal.

Maybe you can clarify what the point of your original post was. Or maybe it was pointless.

Maybe stick to obsessing about your hatred for Treleving. That's your wheelhouse clearly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So they are not hoping for the playoffs ?

That’s new to me

Or you are the one that make up ####

All teams hope for the POs. All teams hope they win the cup.

They aren’t trying to make the POs, unless it’s through some way where they don’t trade for or sign better players despite having cap room and good picks and prospects.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Ingram is the worse goalie in the AHL

Light him the F up

AHL teams are better offensively than the flames as we saw yesterday

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by redmile04

AHL teams are better offensively than the flames as we saw yesterday

You’re probably correct. Maybe the Flames need to be relegated.

[The Cobra]

I’ve always used games above .500 in comparing teams.

The current last playoff team based on winning % is Seattle, who are 1 game over .500.

Calgary is 3 games below. So they are 4 points out of a playoff start.

Calgary needs to get above.500 to start thinking realistically of a playoff spot.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’ve always used games above .500 in comparing teams.

The current last playoff team based on winning % is Seattle, who are 1 game over .500.

Calgary is 3 games below. So they are 4 points out of a playoff start.

Calgary needs to get above.500 to start thinking realistically of a playoff spot.

That is a totally fair metric. By that metric they are 1 point out of dead last.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why does your chart go 1-3-2?

NHL.com does this whenever you sort by point percentage. The number reflects the actual standings. Also for some reason the Wild Card chart starts wildcard standings form 1 for the 1st wild card team, instead of 7.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’ve always used games above .500 in comparing teams.

The current last playoff team based on winning % is Seattle, who are 1 game over .500.

Calgary is 3 games below. So they are 4 points out of a playoff start.

Calgary needs to get above.500 to start thinking realistically of a playoff spot.

It’s a weird season so far. There are a number of teams like Buffalo, Seattle and San Jose that have rolled through town looking like they shouldn’t be in the NHL. Then they leave town and win a bunch of games.

Seems like anyone can beat anyone this season.