12-20-2025, 03:18 PM
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#16781
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
With Montreal trading for Danault yesterday, I think it’s likely the Av’s or nothing for Kadri. The Av’s may decide to push all the chips in this year and I think Kadri would go there.
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He doesn’t have a NMC anymore. Not sure why people are treating as such
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12-20-2025, 03:20 PM
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#16782
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
He doesn’t have a NMC anymore. Not sure why people are treating as such
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He still has a 13 no trade list which can offer a lot of control if constructed with that in mind
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12-20-2025, 03:22 PM
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#16783
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Coronato for michkov, who says no?
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12-20-2025, 03:37 PM
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#16784
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I would prioritize moving Coleman over Kadri personally due to the fit and the fact the Flames have wingers they want to put in the top 9 (Gridin) and are very short on centers. Feels like Kadri might be so valuable that he has to get dealt but if not keeping him would be okay going into the offseason.
I just hope at least 2 of the veteran trio are traded
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12-20-2025, 03:43 PM
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#16785
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
He doesn’t have a NMC anymore. Not sure why people are treating as such
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Sure, contract wise you are correct. He isn't going though unless he wants to. That's the good will between player and GM.
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12-20-2025, 03:44 PM
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#16786
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Sure, contract wise you are correct. He isn't going though unless he wants to. That's the good will between player and GM.
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Which is why we need a nasty losing streak
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12-20-2025, 03:52 PM
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#16787
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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As to the Andersson resigning in Calgary stuff...I have to believe that if it was something both sides even remotely wanted to happen, it would already be done.
He's as good as gone.
My guess is there are a LOT of teams in on him but also a LOT of teams want to see where they are at the Olympic break in regards to making the post season or not...that will determine for many teams what they are willing to part with for him.
Also have to believe Coleman is a very popular target for a bunch of teams. If he agrees to the destination then he is almost guaranteed to be moved this year as well.
Kadri goes no where this season IMO. Too valuable to that room and the young forwards.
That will be re-visited in the summer.
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12-20-2025, 03:53 PM
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#16788
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
He doesn’t have a NMC anymore. Not sure why people are treating as such
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It has been demonstrated a few times that a 13 team NTL can block a lot of teams. You should try running through the exercise yourself. Pick a set of criteria to eliminate trade partners.
Teams that need to be on the NTL:
- Teams that are not deep in C, are likely to be buyers, and have the assets to acquire you
Teams that do not need to be on the NTL:
- Teams that are not likely to be 'buyers' (Penguins, Predators, Sharks, Ducks, Kraken)
- Teams that are deep at C (Blackhawks, Sharks, Ducks, Penguins, Devils, Oilers, Stars, Mammoth, 'Canes, etc.)
- Teams that do not have the cap space to fit you (Leafs, Stars, VGK, Panthers, Devils, Bruins, etc)
- Teams that do not have the assets to acquire you (VGK, Leafs, Lightning, Panthers, Oilers, etc)
- Teams that are in locations you are willing to move to (Leafs, Canadiens, Senators) - this one is tough for us to guess at
So then when you build our your 13 team list you just need to fill in the blanks of the teams that you think will try to trade for you, which is a much smaller list than the grand total of the 31 other teams in the league.
Sabres (because it is always a risk), Avalanche, Canucks, Wild, Capitals, Flyers, Kings, 'Canes, Bruins, Canadiens, Jets, plus 2 more....
That pretty much eliminates the suitors one might expect for Kadri and there are two more spots to use.
Coleman's NTC is even easier to use because he can just write out 10 teams that the team can trade him to and make sure those 10 teams are teams that won't want to trade for him.
Pretending these guys have no trade control is the much weirder position, IMO.
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12-20-2025, 04:01 PM
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#16789
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
"Set back" and "disaster" are claims that are triggering the other side, and I do think those are slight exaggerations, because it isn't that black and white (things often play out in ways we don't predict) and even 5-10 draft positions will add talent to the Flames organization.
But I do think it would prolong any future contention by at least a year unless that second tier player you draft swings above what they were projected to be.
It's pretty important that they draft in those top 3-4. Otherwise you're just taking more baby steps in your rebuild, as opposed to the measurably significant step you could take drafting a future elite player.
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When I say disaster I just mean for if you are trying to be a contender one day, you do need to pick at the top. And this year after the start we had was our best chance at it.
We can still become a team like the Kings are right now, or maybe like the Jets if you hit on some picks. But you won't become a true yearly contending team without some high draft picks.
And I am hoping to become a contender one day, and I feel like we have maybe one of the best set ups in the league to become one. You can get 1st for Andersson, Kadri, Coleman while at the same time tanking and helping your own 1st. This could he a very successful rebuild if they choose to do it.
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12-20-2025, 04:20 PM
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#16790
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Coronato for michkov, who says no?
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Philly
Easily
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12-20-2025, 04:20 PM
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#16791
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wolven
It has been demonstrated a few times that a 13 team NTL can block a lot of teams. You should try running through the exercise yourself. Pick a set of criteria to eliminate trade partners.
Teams that need to be on the NTL:
- Teams that are not deep in C, are likely to be buyers, and have the assets to acquire you
Teams that do not need to be on the NTL:
- Teams that are not likely to be 'buyers' (Penguins, Predators, Sharks, Ducks, Kraken)
- Teams that are deep at C (Blackhawks, Sharks, Ducks, Penguins, Devils, Oilers, Stars, Mammoth, 'Canes, etc.)
- Teams that do not have the cap space to fit you (Leafs, Stars, VGK, Panthers, Devils, Bruins, etc)
- Teams that do not have the assets to acquire you (VGK, Leafs, Lightning, Panthers, Oilers, etc)
- Teams that are in locations you are willing to move to (Leafs, Canadiens, Senators) - this one is tough for us to guess at
So then when you build our your 13 team list you just need to fill in the blanks of the teams that you think will try to trade for you, which is a much smaller list than the grand total of the 31 other teams in the league.
Sabres (because it is always a risk), Avalanche, Canucks, Wild, Capitals, Flyers, Kings, 'Canes, Bruins, Canadiens, Jets, plus 2 more....
That pretty much eliminates the suitors one might expect for Kadri and there are two more spots to use.
Coleman's NTC is even easier to use because he can just write out 10 teams that the team can trade him to and make sure those 10 teams are teams that won't want to trade for him.
Pretending these guys have no trade control is the much weirder position, IMO.
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I’m not saying Kadri has no trade protection but there really only needs to be two viable teams to get a trade going. Ie he doesn’t have LA on it and now they are a possibility. Other teams will make trades that will open up different scenarios.
I’ve said multiple times Coleman basically has a NMC. Not the same as Kadri.
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12-20-2025, 04:38 PM
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#16792
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Bonded
I’m not saying Kadri has no trade protection but there really only needs to be two viable teams to get a trade going. Ie he doesn’t have LA on it and now they are a possibility. Other teams will make trades that will open up different scenarios.
I’ve said multiple times Coleman basically has a NMC. Not the same as Kadri.
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Sure, in a generic way it is possible that Kadri will be traded, but I think it is unlikely unless he decides he wants to go.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Andersson trade and if that helps Kadri want out. On the one hand, he is such a competitor that I think he'd want to go to a team that is playing more meaningful games. On the other hand, he already has his cup ring and he might be coasting to retirement in a city that he moved his extended family to. And, he may try to aggressively veto any trade to the US for obvious reasons.
There are a lot of non-hockey considerations in there and I think most of them decrease the chances of a trade.
I do hope that he gets traded, and that the Flames get a monster return, but my expectation is that he won't.
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12-20-2025, 04:48 PM
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#16793
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Philly
Easily
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Probably stupidly, also me... but I really like Coronato.
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12-20-2025, 05:28 PM
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#16794
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Coronato for michkov, who says no?
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The flyers answer with a loud laugh.
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12-20-2025, 06:03 PM
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#16795
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Philly
Easily
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I accept this from some perspectives, but I also point out that Tocchet and him are already at odds while others on the team seem to have prospered under him. Might make Philly consider a swap for something comparable.
Another point here is that, if we believe that coronato alone isnt as valuable a piece as michkov, then we should be open to the type of trade that adds together rasmus and coronato to secure a better prospect in return.
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12-20-2025, 06:09 PM
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#16796
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
I accept this from some perspectives, but I also point out that Tocchet and him are already at odds while others on the team seem to have prospered under him. Might make Philly consider a swap for something comparable.
Another point here is that, if we believe that coronato alone isnt as valuable a piece as michkov, then we should be open to the type of trade that adds together rasmus and coronato to secure a better prospect in return.
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I don’t know how it will play out with Michkov long term. I think he’s supremeley talented but not sure how coachable. So I think both Philly says no but nor would I want the Flames building around him
I agree with trying to get better talent in trades but I would go after a guy like Fantilli instead. Not saying that’s realistic but that’s a guy you build around and at some point he may get frustrated in CBJ
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12-20-2025, 06:45 PM
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#16797
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wolven
Sure, in a generic way it is possible that Kadri will be traded, but I think it is unlikely unless he decides he wants to go.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Andersson trade and if that helps Kadri want out. On the one hand, he is such a competitor that I think he'd want to go to a team that is playing more meaningful games. On the other hand, he already has his cup ring and he might be coasting to retirement in a city that he moved his extended family to. And, he may try to aggressively veto any trade to the US for obvious reasons.
There are a lot of non-hockey considerations in there and I think most of them decrease the chances of a trade.
I do hope that he gets traded, and that the Flames get a monster return, but my expectation is that he won't.
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It will really come down to Flames moreso than Kadri imo. If he doesn’t have one of the Kings or Wings on his no trade list and they are interested then the Flames now have a tonne of leverage to get him to open up other spots on his NTC. If they treat his NTC like a NMC then he has the control. My main point is with a 13 team NTC there will be a couple teams that will be interested and he can’t block. That’s all that is really needed.
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12-20-2025, 07:05 PM
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#16798
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#1 Goaltender
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Maybe I’m crazy but I’d rather have Coronato at this point. I feel like Michkov has some maturing to do and he really didn’t get off on the right foot this year coming into camp out of shape.
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12-20-2025, 07:24 PM
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#16799
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Bonded
It will really come down to Flames moreso than Kadri imo. If he doesn’t have one of the Kings or Wings on his no trade list and they are interested then the Flames now have a tonne of leverage to get him to open up other spots on his NTC. If they treat his NTC like a NMC then he has the control. My main point is with a 13 team NTC there will be a couple teams that will be interested and he can’t block. That’s all that is really needed.
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And if both of those teams ARE on his NTL?
Like I said before, Kadri and his agent likely ran through a number of scenarios to figure out what their list was and I doubt it was as simple as picking his 13 least favourite cities.
I had the Kings on my list for Kadri because their 3 young C might need a Kadri to support them, especially as Kopitar ends his contract.
Red Wings could be on his list too. Larkin is good and their prospects have a lot of potential but there is a question mark there that Kadri could help with in the short term while the 21 year olds mature a bit more.
Without Kadri's cooperation, I think it is very unlikely that the Flames move him. The Flames definitely do not have the upper hand in the situation.
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12-20-2025, 07:27 PM
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#16800
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Franchise Player
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Sure, Michkov has some maturing to do, but we have the time to let him (we aren't competing for a while). If it were possible to get him from Philly for Coronato or Coronato +, I would be all over that.
Not sure Philly is ready to throw in the towel on him just yet though.
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