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Old 12-17-2025, 01:43 PM   #16321
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Everyone is forgetting that Ken Holland is their GM.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:44 PM   #16322
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Andersson sees it and goes "wow, that's news to me!".
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Lol, so Andersson would allegedly sign with the Leafs, but they have no assets to trade to get him. So his willingness to sign with them is irrelevant. Unless they're willing to trade an "untouchable" asset to get him. Treliving isn't going to get him for a bag of pucks.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:12 PM   #16325
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The Leafs news is certainly a head scratcher. I really can’t think of a worse trading partner given the assets the Leafs have left. So why it keeps coming up is odd. I wish it would just die. It’s so pointless even discussing it when it inevitably comes up. They simply don’t have the right mix of assets. They’ll eventually have to make a hockey trade because they’re not trading prospects or picks anymore as those cupboards are bare. A third liner like Domi may be dealt for a similar underperformer but nothing more magnitude wise. In a couple years Treliving has performed his trademark and dealt good picks for mediocrity.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:17 PM   #16326
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Treliving is in on everything and closes very little. Hopefully there are other teams trying to get Anderson before the trade freeze but realistically before the Olympics
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:24 PM   #16327
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I don't like the Leafs as a partner for Kadri...but think it might work for Andersson.

Something like Unprotected 2028 1st + Danford + Cowan would still be a really good return for an extended Andersson.

I just don't think you're getting a premier prospect or Hughes level return for Andersson, so if you could get a couple good pieces that's not the end of world.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:26 PM   #16328
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The Leafs news is certainly a head scratcher. I really can’t think of a worse trading partner given the assets the Leafs have left. So why it keeps coming up is odd. I wish it would just die. It’s so pointless even discussing it when it inevitably comes up. They simply don’t have the right mix of assets. They’ll eventually have to make a hockey trade because they’re not trading prospects or picks anymore as those cupboards are bare. A third liner like Domi may be dealt for a similar underperformer but nothing more magnitude wise. In a couple years Treliving has performed his trademark and dealt good picks for mediocrity.
Deepnds on what else is involved. Maccelli hasn't worked out so far and we have some high-priced wingers that we might want to off load.

Ras 50% RS and Sharangovich

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Maccelli, Cowan and 1st in 2028

Maccelli is a RFA next summer. Maybe Conroy can get out of the Sharangovich deal in this trade?

Don't QO Maccelli unless he plays well here or flip him at the deadline if he plays well.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:27 PM   #16329
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I don't like the Leafs as a partner for Kadri...but think it might work for Andersson.

Something like Unprotected 2028 1st + Danford + Cowan would still be a really good return for an extended Andersson.

I just don't think you're getting a premier prospect or Hughes level return for Andersson, so if you could get a couple good pieces that's not the end of world.
I just doubt Treliving is allowed by the new Leafs President, to deal another 1st, let alone unprotected which nobody does. I also doubt he brings that much back.
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I don't like the Leafs as a partner for Kadri...but think it might work for Andersson.

Something like Unprotected 2028 1st + Danford + Cowan would still be a really good return for an extended Andersson.

I just don't think you're getting a premier prospect or Hughes level return for Andersson, so if you could get a couple good pieces that's not the end of world.
I don’t think we can expect a 1st and 2 recent 1st rounders for Andersson even extended.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:30 PM   #16331
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I just doubt Treliving is allowed by the new Leafs President, to deal another 1st, let alone unprotected which nobody does. I also doubt he brings that much back.
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I don’t think we can expect a 1st and 2 recent 1st rounders for Andersson even extended.

Me too. But that was kind of the point of me being a bit optimistic with the return.

If the Leafs truly are motivated to make the deal, they have enough future assets to trade for Andersson. It's not impossible like those on CP seem to believe.

The real problem is that their 2026 and 2027 picks both have conditions on them, so if they move the 2028 it means both of those become unprotected.

But I'm less sold that they won't move the first or the prospects (Danford more likely to move than Cowan probably). I think they are very much in a win now mode.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:34 PM   #16332
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Me too. But that was kind of the point of me being a bit optimistic with the return.

If the Leafs truly are motivated to make the deal, they have enough future assets to trade for Andersson. It's not impossible like those on CP seem to believe.

The real problem is that their 2026 and 2027 picks both have conditions on them, so if they move the 2028 it means both of those become unprotected.

But I'm less sold that they won't move the first. I think they are very much in a win now mode.
Leafs are such a weird team in the sense that they have like 5/6 guys you absolutely cannot move without torpedoing their chances this year, then the rest of the roster is meh with no value as well as being completely devoid of picks and prospects.

They're a lot like Edmonton in that way, makes it really hard to make any substantial moves.
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Old 12-17-2025, 02:54 PM   #16333
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Kadri, Andersson (+extension), Zary, VGK 1st for Byfield,, Clarke, Danault/Ceci (cap dump)?

Makes Kings older, but they're still in a "win now" mode. Likely buys them a couple years of contention.

Not that we need more RHD... but have always liked Clarke, despite his occasional brain farts. Not totally sold on Byfield, either, when I watch him I'm left frustrated by his game. He's a middle six C, not a #1 C in my mind.
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Old 12-17-2025, 03:07 PM   #16334
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I know nothing about hockey, but I feel like most posters are badly over-valuing Byfield. He isn't a prospect anymore. There's still a chance that he takes another step, but the chance is small and diminishing every year. Personally, I wouldn't trade Coronato for him one-for-one.
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You can forget about Cowan or Knies, neither of those guys are available according to my source in the GTA. The Leafs are trying to dangle Danford in an Andersson trade but Conroy doesn't want him as part of the return. Knies is definitely not going anywhere but maybe Tre gives in on Cowan, I don't know if he would. I personally think these two are a bad match in a two way trade. Maybe if another team likes Danford as part of a package you might get something done with a 3 way deal.
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You can forget about Cowan or Knies, neither of those guys are available according to my source in the GTA. The Leafs are trying to dangle Danford in an Andersson trade but Conroy doesn't want him as part of the return. Knies is definitely not going anywhere but maybe Tre gives in on Cowan, I don't know if he would. I personally think these two are a bad match in a two way trade. Maybe if another team likes Danford as part of a package you might get something done with a 3 way deal.
Yeah, my guess is the TO rumors is basically Tre or someone else on the Leafs trying to chum the waters. Or you know it gets clicks.
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Old 12-17-2025, 03:23 PM   #16337
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Byfield? He may not be putting it all together in L. A but I've watched enough hockey in my life to know a good player when I see one. Kid puts up goal of the year candidates every year. When he's on he's manhandling the opposition and doing what he wants however he wants. His issue is 100 percent consistency. And like a sam Bennett, could do with a change of scenery.

I don't think I'm over-valuing the player at all. What's devaluing the player is the relationship with the team that drafted him allegedly. You swing for Byfield, IMO. Take a couple of good hacks to see if you can survive prying him lose from the Kings.
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I don't like the Leafs as a partner for Kadri...but think it might work for Andersson.

Something like Unprotected 2028 1st + Danford + Cowan would still be a really good return for an extended Andersson.

I just don't think you're getting a premier prospect or Hughes level return for Andersson, so if you could get a couple good pieces that's not the end of world.
Hughes is not a comparable but even if you suggested that Andersson is only 3 quarters or one half of the value of Hughes, I do not think that package from the Leafs is close to the value needed.

Hughes got a 2026 1st (already considered high value because of the strength of the draft class), 2020 #9OA, 2022 #19OA, and 2024 #12OA.

The Leafs package is a 2028 1st, 2023 #28OA (RW), and 2024 #31OA (RD). This starts to feel more and more like a spare parts trade where the best asset in the trade is going the other direction and the assets coming back are ones we do not really need. The 2028 1st might be good but it might still be in the 20s as Matthews & crew are all locked up until the 2027-28 season.

I agree that the approach should be to say we do not want a package of parts. They should pony up Knies and figure out what needs to be added to Andersson+extension to make it happen (or go away).

The best part about an offer like this from the Leafs is that one could then take that back to the Stars and say "Bischel + 1st is a good starting point but you need to add to beat the Leafs".

Or better yet, get the Ducks involved with these offers on the table and say "beat it".
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Yeah, my guess is the TO rumors is basically Tre or someone else on the Leafs trying to chum the waters. Or you know it gets clicks.

I doubt it. Would he want to set the expectation of getting the best defenceman available then ultimately settle for a last pairing guy? That's what he'll end up getting in any deal. I don't think the "rumour" of Ras to Toronto has any wings.
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I just doubt Treliving is allowed by the new Leafs President, to deal another 1st, let alone unprotected which nobody does. I also doubt he brings that much back.

Technically the Leafs don't have a president, although MLSE does.
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