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Old 12-15-2025, 11:29 PM   #15981
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You keep mentioning this Vancouver memo like its relevant though and was some shrewd move...the entire world knows the Flames players are available for the right price. Right price being the key word.

Vancouver got their price, they also had a player you should never have to trade. Like how hard was it to trade Tkachuk when he said he was out? Its not exactly hard to get offers on a young star player.

Canucks weren't proactive they were reactive to Hughes saying F you guys your loser team sucks I'm done. Watch the November 3rd after hours its all about building a team around Hughes and how much Hughes likes what they are doing.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:31 PM   #15982
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I know facts are tough when you have a bias and have to spin everything around that bias.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/article/canuc...rch-of-centre/



Do you think that when a GM calls Conroy to inquire about Kadri or Coleman, which we know has happened, he doesn't listen? Kadri and Coleman are not even UFA's so wouldn't even fall under available players that the Canucks management sent a memo about.
In fact, here's a list of the pending veteran UFAs on the Canucks:

Evander Kane, Keifer Sherwood, Teddy Bleuger, David Kampf, Derek Forbort.

Not exactly a group that will get you a haul.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:33 PM   #15983
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Not sure what’s so difficult to understand, and why you think it’s such a leap in logic.

The Canucks tried to tinker, and run it back this year. That failed, and they’ve fallen on their face. They’ve now pivoted, somewhat proactively considering Hughes has another year on his contract. What happened in the off-season, or the minor moves that preceded their pivot in approach to this season, is somewhat irrelevant.

We’re simply hoping the Flames will also pivot, however we’re being openly told by the organization that they are in fact not going to pivot.
They already pivoted to what you’re congratulating Vancouver for pivoting to like 2 years ago, man. Stop.
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You keep mentioning this Vancouver memo like its relevant though and was some shrewd move...the entire world knows the Flames players are available for the right price. Right price being the key word.

Vancouver got their price, they also had a player you should never have to trade. Like how hard was it to trade Tkachuk when he said he was out? Its not exactly hard to get offers on a young star player.

Canucks weren't proactive they were reactive to Hughes saying F you guys your loser team sucks I'm done. Watch the November 3rd after hours its all about building a team around Hughes and how much Hughes likes what they are doing.
Ah, so you agree - the Flames haven’t been proactive at all since Conroy took over. They were in fact just reactive to Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov saying “F you guys your loser team sucks I’m done.”

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They already pivoted to what you’re congratulating Vancouver for pivoting to like 2 years ago, man. Stop.
Ah, so what they did two years ago means they’re done and don’t need to do more.

Or did they not pivot, because they were being reactive to those players 2 years ago just saying “F you guys your team sucks”.

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Ah, so you agree - the Flames haven’t been proactive at all since Conroy took over. They were in fact just reactive to Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov saying “F you guys your loser team sucks I’m done.”
Half of those guys would have extended if given a decent offer. Zadorov asked for a trade when he knew he wasn't getting an offer, LOL. And you are leaving out Markstrom, who was the biggest trade after Lindholm.
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Half of those guys would have extended if given a decent offer. Zadorov asked for a trade when he knew he wasn't getting an offer, LOL. And you are leaving out Markstrom, who was the biggest trade after Lindholm.
There’s like 7 guys on here who are literally never going to retain this information or accept any alternative to the narrative they’ve already gassed up in the old cranium.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:39 PM   #15987
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Ah, so you agree - the Flames haven’t been proactive at all since Conroy took over. They were in fact just reactive to Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov saying “F you guys your loser team sucks I’m done.”



Ah, so what they did two years ago means they’re done and don’t need to do more.

Or did they not pivot, because they were being reactive to those players 2 years ago just saying “F you guys your team sucks”.
Come on now, you are smarter than that...don't be like one of these other posters that makes crap up to fit. I know you actually follow the team.

Every one of those guys other than Hanifin would have stayed with the Flames. Lindholm made a counter the Flames could have signed and been done. Zadorov, Toffoli, and Tanev, wanted deals and the Flames weren't willing to talk. Even Markstom only requested a trade after the Flames asked him to waive (and we all knew Wolf was the future)
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:39 PM   #15988
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Not sure what’s so difficult to understand, and why you think it’s such a leap in logic.

The Canucks tried to tinker, and run it back this year. That failed, and they’ve fallen on their face. They’ve now pivoted, somewhat proactively considering Hughes has another year on his contract. What happened in the off-season, or the minor moves that preceded their pivot in approach to this season, is somewhat irrelevant.

We’re simply hoping the Flames will also pivot, however we’re being openly told by the organization (and THE insider) that they are in fact not going to pivot, or at the very least the insiders words could be interpreted that way (though the organization’s own words don’t really give us reason to believe otherwise).

So we sit, waiting for their actions to tell us what they’re really doing (because apparently we’re not supposed to take them at their word), but so far their actions (inaction) align with what they’re saying.
Just be honest. Don't spin things to suit your narrative. The Canucks didnt proactively pivot with a year left on Hughes contract, he finally told them he would not re-sign and they were forced to trade him. That's a known fact.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...n-this-summer/

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Ah, so you agree - the Flames haven’t been proactive at all since Conroy took over. They were in fact just reactive to Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov saying “F you guys your loser team sucks I’m done.”



Ah, so what they did two years ago means they’re done and don’t need to do more.

Or did they not pivot, because they were being reactive to those players 2 years ago just saying “F you guys your team sucks”.
No you’re right. They pivoted so everything should be fixed two years later and things are just torn down and built back up in a season and a half.

Easy peasy. Why don’t they just do it your way? Ho hum!
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Come on now, you are smarter than that...don't be one of these other posters I know you actually follow the team.

Every one of those guys other than Hanifin would have stayed with the Flames
Hanifin was willing to extend as late as 2023's stories say.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:45 PM   #15991
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Canucks also traded a 26 year old superstar, I mean they got younger but guy was just entering his prime. Rebuild the rebuild I guess.
I mean if you trade Kadri for a first that is a 35 year old for a 17 year old...16 year old? depends when the pick is. Now that is a rebuild trade.

Canucks traded Silovs and signed Demko this summer lol (just rememberd that one)
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Come on now, you are smarter than that...don't be like one of these other posters that makes crap up to fit. I know you actually follow the team.

Every one of those guys other than Hanifin would have stayed with the Flames. Lindholm made a counter the Flames could have signed and been done. Zadorov, Toffoli, and Tanev, wanted deals and the Flames weren't willing to talk. Even Markstom only requested a trade after the Flames asked him to waive (and we all knew Wolf was the future)
Yes, they all would have stayed with gross overpayments - and it was wise of Conroy to move on.

I’m just bringing up a fair criticism of this team in-season right now, because the further we do get into the season with continued inaction, the more I’ll believe that Don Maloney’s unfortunate words are in fact the direction of the team.

So far, we’ve not seen anything change. Looking at other teams in our position, we’ve seen and/or heard of intent to make changes - whereas the only thing we’ve heard from insiders and the organization is a desire to not change, which just seems unwise.

I don’t think it’s unfair for Flames fans to be poking the Flaming C with a stick asking it to do something, particularly with contract and age complications with what Royle and others have said are the best assets (potentially) on the market…if they in fact ever do put them on the market.
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The assets are on the market...they don't need to tell us in a press release
they need to get the best price

Vancouver trading a 26 year old superstar is kinda irrelevant to the Flames having vets to move (other than making the demand higher as teams try and keep pace)
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The assets are on the market...they don't need to tell us in a press release

they need to get the best price
How do you know this?
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I don't think it's that unclear, and I feel no need to be spoon fed the club's intentions. I judge their trading out of vets over the last 2 seasons, the fact they've made zero moves to improve the chances of POs as significant (way more than the absence of deals when we have no idea what other teams are doing).

Frankly, if they anounced a "rebuild" in a presser tomorrow a bunch of people here who've called for that language would immediately say "that's all well and good but let's see what they do".
If it were clear would there be 3 months of debate about it and then folks coming in non-stop telling us not to believe what the Flames are telling us?

If it’s clear what do you think they’re doing? You think they’re rebuilding? Just waiting to the TDL to pull the trigger on 3 complicated trades?

Again, all of their “rebuilding” trades were done like 2 years ago. 2 1sts for a couple years isn’t really all that great. Need more. They seem to be drafting amazing so I have no idea why they don’t lean into that strength.
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Are they?

What we’ve kind of heard is that there will be interest should the Flames make players available.

What I will say, is that Steinberg did say last week that he has heard that in the last little while that there is more internal chatter regarding possibly moving veteran players…so yeah, reason for hope on that front.

Conversation then circles back to interpretations of what a guy like Friedman means when he says the Flames are not interested in “tearing it down”. In my eyes, trading Andersson + Coleman + Kadri does not mean “tearing it down”, but until we see any level of action from the organization, there’s nothing to point to that says the organization actually has interest in moving any of these guys other than Conroy’s stance (and carry through) on not losing free agents for nothing.

We know the trade market is there, and we know the Flames haven’t done anything other than send Maloney out for the best interview of his career.

As a fan, I see what Vancouver did as bold…and I’m excited to see Conroy do something bold, as it’s been very quiet on his front for sometime now.

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They already had Andersson traded to the point LA was asking him for an extension...he is the only significant UFA

Coleman in Kadri aren't UFAs...you don't trade them unless you get your price. Price for them is almost certainly higher closer to the deadline.
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They’ve now pivoted, somewhat proactively considering Hughes has another year on his contract.
Keeping Hughes for the rest of the season only further damages the dressing room which no team wants. They had to trade him now.

It was like the Zadorov situation even though they aren't even close to the same quality of player. Hughes might not have publicly requested a trade but you could tell by his body language he was done.
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If it were clear would there be 3 months of debate about it and then folks coming in non-stop telling us not to believe what the Flames are telling us?

If it’s clear what do you think they’re doing? You think they’re rebuilding? Just waiting to the TDL to pull the trigger on 3 complicated trades?

Again, all of their “rebuilding” trades were done like 2 years ago. 2 1sts for a couple years isn’t really all that great. Need more.
I think they're trading out any aging UFA.
I think they're promoting prospects when ready.
I think they're getting younger as a team.
I think they're stockpiling draft picks.
I think they're avoiding any significant UFA signings.
I think they're spending to the cap floor instead of ceiling
I think they're being patient with an Andersson trade to maximize the return.
I think they're being even more patient with a Kadri and Coleman trade since they are not UFA's.

Thats what I think based on what the team has actually done. There's been much more than 3 months debate, when did Rhett44 make his account again? (Joking)
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pretty much sums it up...if the Flames are going for the playoffs they are doing a pretty bad job of it with no additions despite near league high cap and multiple firsts and other picks to spend
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