[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BigThief

dino7c or or however. That guy is a bonefide Homer. Textcritic too.

Once again ... labels.

If a person is a bought and sold homer it should be easy to deal with said person in the realm of facts.

Weak sauce to label the opposing position to minimize it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Weird comment.




I said if people are 100% pro Flames and literally defend everything, it's uninteresting. And homerism. You are the one doing the digging here.

No I'm not.

I don't have a need to degrade opposing positions by labeling them.

You doubled down with "uninteresting".

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Because it's amusing?

I spent a few minutes perusing the first 3 pages and used what I saw. I didn't get to mine among the 200 pages of comments. I don't have time for that.

I'm glad you had time to gather quotes from specifically from my old account. A lot of people were dead wrong, myself included.

It is a little weird though.

Instead of having fun and laughing along, you springboard into a little witch hunt post.

You have quite the knack for sucking the fun out of things and making something that could be fun into 'example making' or whatever. Should expect as much from Captain Serious of CP.

Your attempt at fun would have landed better if you had included some of your own posts.

You also seem to think people find these "walls of shame" to be fun for some reasons. Clearly they aren't. They offer no purpose.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No I'm not.

I don't have a need to degrade opposing positions by labeling them.

You doubled down with "uninteresting".

we are all uninteresting I guess...he has homer takes like everyone else

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You are a bonefide hater...its so interesting to complain about everything and let a ####ing kids game ruin your mental health lol
nothing matters, we're all gonna die. You guys can't enjoy a game.

Ruin my mental health? Why are you just making things up lol. What a weird thing to say.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Once again ... labels.

If a person is a bought and sold homer it should be easy to deal with said person in the realm of facts.

Weak sauce to label the opposing position to minimize it.

lol neither of those guys are my opposition. They're just incapable of criticizing anything the Flames do. And yes you're absolutely right, it is.

Bought and sold? Where did that come from. That nik- quote stuck with you a decade later eh?

[Always Earned Never Given]

To me this remains the best trade the Flames ever made as it prevented the clowns up north a couple of cup rings.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

To me this remains the best trade the Flames ever made as it prevented the clowns up north a couple of cup rings.

Exactly. The conversation ends here, even if we only got a bag of pucks, it was still worth it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Ruin my mental health? Why are you just making things up lol. What a weird thing to say.

Yeah you really seem to be enjoying this kids game for fun...totally worth being negative all the time

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah you really seem to br enjoying this kids game for fun...totally worth be negative all the time

You're putting emotions on critiques, that's a little odd to be honest. Definitely still enjoying Flames hockey and hockey in general. Though my interest is lower than it ever has been. But that isn't a big deal. If I go "Dustin Wolf should have made that save!" Do you think it affects me the rest of the day lol. Come on guy. You're an unabashed Homer but I'm not going to make some happiness judge about your life like a little weirdo

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

To me this remains the best trade the Flames ever made as it prevented the clowns up north a couple of cup rings.

That is the sliver lining for sure. It may be worth it in the long run as well if the Flames can get this rebuilt done right.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What? That's just so much revisionist b.s. Maybe 2nd after Barkov, but that's only in terms of his importance to the team and role he played. He was very much their top offensive forward, and he literally turned Anthony Duclair into a 30 goal winger. Reinhart arrived that big year, and Huberdeau was a major part of revitalizing him offensively. To say he didn't drive the offense or wasn't important to the team is utter bull####.

Look, I don't know what happened to Huberdeau when he got traded. It's still one of the most curious and odd things I can remember happening to a hockey player. I watched him a TON in Florida, and he was dynamic, creative, and absolutely could create offense out of nothing. Since being traded and coming to Calgary, he just looks like a completely different player. Whether it's a rapid drop off in his skills, or just losing confidence, or playing a different system, or a combination of all three things, I don't know. All I know is that he is simply NOT the player I watched for years in Florida. He was barely okay defensively, but he was an absolute force offensively. I simply don't know what happened that caused him the change.

The trade was the right call. It just didn't turn out well for the Flames, but it was still absolutely the right move to keep the team at the top of the standings.

What's the lesson? #### happens I guess.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe it's not a mystery at all and he benefited from an ideal situation, and just wasn't as good of an overall player as his point production suggested. Maybe he just chokes under pressure and under the spotlight. That was one of the biggest criticisms of him after the playoff disappoints in Florida, and all that factors into being a good player. It seems like a more plausible explanation than just suddenly dropping off a cliff at a record breaking pace.

It happens all the time when a player changes teams and you suddenly realize that they weren't as good as their points suggest (James Neal?), and that they benefited from careful deployment and/or chemistry that can't easily be replicated. It usually doesn't happen as extremely as it did with Huberdeau, but I do think that is exactly what happened because it happens all the time.

Also, it's hindsight, not revisionism. Which is fair, since it really is the only way to judge these things.

[Locke]

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Huberdeau has 21 points in 26 playoff games, with only one year the team made it past the first round, so not too bad if you're looking for production. In 2020/21, he led the team with 10 points in 6 playoff games, before eventually losing to the eventual cup champion TB Lightning. He was by far their best player in that series.

It is revisionism. You're trying to change the facts to fit your current narrative about the player. Say what you want about him now, the criticism is totally fair, but he was a great player for many years in Florida, and by far one of their top 2 forwards along with Barkov.

I don't really need to spend my time defending him, but I get annoyed when people decide something based on preconceived ideas, and then do whatever they can to manipulate facts to fit their narrative.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Your attempt at fun would have landed better if you had included some of your own posts.

You also seem to think people find these "walls of shame" to be fun for some reasons. Clearly they aren't. They offer no purpose.

Did you mis-comprehend the part where i said I just plucked from the first couple pages I read? Regardless of who it came from. Didn't even look at usernames, because that wasnt the point of the funny meme post.

Literally as harmless as it gets.

If I was in that batch of juicy bad takes, do you think I wouldn't include it?

It's funny that you think that I believe im above being wrong, and would only call out others. That couldn't be further from the truth.

I think that after all this time and discourse, you still confuse the difference between what's a fact and what's just your opinion.

There was certainly a purpose, it just wasn't for you.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Did you mis-comprehend the part where i said I just plucked from the first couple pages I read? Regardless of who it came from. Didn't even look at usernames, because that wasnt the point of the funny meme post.

Literally as harmless as it gets.

If I was in that batch of juicy bad takes, do you think I wouldn't include it?

It's funny that you think that I believe im above being wrong, and would only call out others. That couldn't be further from the truth.

I think that after all this time and discourse, you still confuse the difference between what's a fact and what's just your opinion.

There was certainly a purpose, it just wasn't for you.

Not for your reputation.

[PepsiFree]

The best way to convince people you don’t take yourself too seriously and aren’t above being wrong is to respond negatively to even the lightest pushback imaginable or people just generally not finding you funny. If you have to, close your account with a public announcement. That’s how people know you’re just a pretty cool and casual guy.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Not for your reputation.

That just goes to show how unhealthily serious some regulars take the site.

The only ones I'd care to uphold reputation points with are those that see it isn't a big deal, maybe partake in the fun too, and just move on.

I don't need to see eye to eye with every one. Not only is that impossible, but it would be too tiring to cater every post to not offend individuals who are easily offended. Especially when there is no mal-intent to begin with.

Maybe we need an OT thread to sort out why indiscriminately highlighting dramatic posts that were wildly incorrect isn't actually a personal attack.

[Mathgod]

Would have worked out if Huberdeau was flipped for futures or a blue chip prospect. But we signed him to the big contract and decided to go for immediate success. It didn't work out. It's hockey, things like this happen. The important thing is that (hopefully) a lesson was learned.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Opening this thread after all these years is like opening the first chapter of a book entitled “You’re going to get kicked in groin”, and then proceed to get kicked in the groin as you turn the pages.

This trade was an extinction level event for this organization. We’ve been absolutely irrelevant ever since.

I suppose it’s neat to be able to point to the exact moment when we struck the iceberg.

And yeah, that’s a heck of a post by Sec.

An extinction level event that has netted us ONE top 10 pick since it happened with the 9th OA. A very Calgary Flames extinction event.