[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its still a good trade at the time, the best value available for a player that wasnt going to sign. The 10.5M contract and Huberdeau's drop in play is what killed it.

Weegar has been good and still has high value, Potter might be a player. Not sure why this needed bumped we have been over it 1 million times, without guessing I could have made 4 (max) guesses who bumped it and would have been correct.

For peak pain purposes I would really like to know the extent of the Hurricanes offer that included Necas ++ obviously using hindsight that was clearly the trade the Flames should have made.

Complete overrating the supporting case by the org

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think it shows more how player production in general can be situational. Huberdeau was probably the 3rd or 4th best forward in Florida. That gave them the luxury of playing him on the 2nd line where he didn't have the hardest match-ups and could play without the reins on.

Then going to Calgary and expecting him to be the number one forward on the 1st line, it's just not the dude that he is. Even in Florida, when they played him on the top line with Barkov, his production would go down. He's just an easier player to defend against compared to other star players, so the tough match-up just never worked out great for him.

What? That's just so much revisionist b.s. Maybe 2nd after Barkov, but that's only in terms of his importance to the team and role he played. He was very much their top offensive forward, and he literally turned Anthony Duclair into a 30 goal winger. Reinhart arrived that big year, and Huberdeau was a major part of revitalizing him offensively. To say he didn't drive the offense or wasn't important to the team is utter bull####.

Look, I don't know what happened to Huberdeau when he got traded. It's still one of the most curious and odd things I can remember happening to a hockey player. I watched him a TON in Florida, and he was dynamic, creative, and absolutely could create offense out of nothing. Since being traded and coming to Calgary, he just looks like a completely different player. Whether it's a rapid drop off in his skills, or just losing confidence, or playing a different system, or a combination of all three things, I don't know. All I know is that he is simply NOT the player I watched for years in Florida. He was barely okay defensively, but he was an absolute force offensively. I simply don't know what happened that caused him the change.

The trade was the right call. It just didn't turn out well for the Flames, but it was still absolutely the right move to keep the team at the top of the standings.

What's the lesson? #### happens I guess.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[dino7c]

Its not like Tkachuk is the best player in Florida now or ever either

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If there are people who always defend what the Flames do, that is homerism. It's not reality. Also it is a very uninteresting position to take. You seem to say that if a person can in any way justify their opinion (every idea can be justified because ideas are malleable) it should be considered and valued. I totally disagree, some ideas are simply bad.

There is some irony here as you are a major Panthers homer...yeah a lot has gone well for them lately so it looks good but this past offseason you were really debating myself and others that the Panthers wouldn't struggle to make the playoffs this year and don't really need the regular season, no biggie...they can fog a mirror and make the playoffs.

Anyone using logic knew the Panthers were in tough without Barkov. You also suggested they weren't an old team and wouldn't have any talk of their reign coming to an end in the near future. I'm not suggesting they can't make it but they are in a race.

"They added Jones at the deadline and Marchand came back when the playoffs started. Also they were without Tkachuk since the four nations until the playoffs and still made it as a third seed, while resting guys. They'll be fine."

"They couldn't have cared less about the regular season last year and it showed. It was slow burn for them. Their core is around 28-30 year olds, I wouldn't call that old and Bob has been extremely healthy his entire career plus it's his contract year."

These seem like homer takes...they are the 3rd oldest team in the league, clock is certainly ticking on their window. Anyway those in glass houses.

[VilleN]

It seemed like the right call, given that it looked like the return we got for Tkachuk could maintain the skill we lost when Johnny and Chucky left. In hindsight, a futures deal would have been incredible for the franchise... but that just wasn't going to happen. I don't blame Brad for a bad trade, I blame him for the position we ended up in with Johnny and Chucky... should've never gotten there.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not like Tkachuk is the best player in Florida now or ever either

He helped them won 2 cups.

I think they are satisfied

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He helped them won 2 cups.

I think they are satisfied

I never said otherwise...context please
someone said Huberdeau was their 3rd or 4th (which was kinda fata anyway) Tkachuk isn't their best either.

a lot of guys helped them win two cups though, including the goalie they tried hard to pay someone to take in Tkachuk's first season

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is some irony here as you are a major Panthers homer...yeah a lot has gone well for them lately so it looks good but this past offseason you were really debating myself and others that the Panthers wouldn't struggle to make the playoffs this year and don't really need the regular season, no biggie...they can fog a mirror and make the playoffs.

Anyone using logic knew the Panthers were in tough without Barkov. You also suggested they weren't an old team and wouldn't have any talk of their reign coming to an end in the near future. I'm not suggesting they can't make it but they are in a race.

"They added Jones at the deadline and Marchand came back when the playoffs started. Also they were without Tkachuk since the four nations until the playoffs and still made it as a third seed, while resting guys. They'll be fine."

"They couldn't have cared less about the regular season last year and it showed. It was slow burn for them. Their core is around 28-30 year olds, I wouldn't call that old and Bob has been extremely healthy his entire career plus it's his contract year."

These seem like homer takes...they are the 3rd oldest team in the league, clock is certainly ticking on their window. Anyway those in glass houses.

I mean if you want to call me a homer regarding the Panthers then go ahead, like I said, I don't feel like it's an insult and that I have to start yelling at the clouds. But I would also like to point out, that in my opinion, being positive about a team that has gone to three straight finals and won two cups, is a bit more justified then being positive about the Flames. It's not fun but it's reality.


The real irony here is that you of all people, are calling other people homer. That is literally just funny.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I mean if you want to call me a homer regarding the Panthers then go ahead, like I said, I don't feel like it's an insult and that I have to start yelling at the clouds. But I would also like to point out, that in my opinion, being positive about a team that has gone to three straight finals and won two cups, is a bit more justified then being positive about the Flames. It's not fun but it's reality.


The real irony here is that you of all people, are calling other people homer. That is literally just funny.

When did I say it was bad or deny I was a homer? I said those in glass houses. Fan is short for fanatic you should be biased for the team you cheer for.

You don't think denying they are old and that they would struggle without Barkov were homer takes though?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I never said otherwise...context please
someone said Huberdeau was their 3rd or 4th (which was kinda fata anyway) Tkachuk isn't their best either.

a lot of guys helped them win two cups though, including the goalie they tried hard to pay someone to take in Tkachuk's first season

Ok, but why argue, the wizard screwed up, Huberdeau became a useless anchor that nobody wants.

Hindsight or not it’s a bad deal and better forget about it

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

When did I say it was bad? I said those in glass houses

You don't think denying they are old and that they would struggle without Barkov were homer takes?

The next 20 games are telling, too early to say still IMO. I don't think they will struggle without Barkov to make the playoffs, because they are getting Tkachuk back soon. Missing them both plus SC hangover has affected them more than I thought so far, although they are still totally in the race.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Ok, but why argue, the wizard screwed up, Huberdeau became a useless anchor that nobody wants.

Hindsight or not it’s a bad deal and better forget about it

I didn't bump this thread, the Huberdeau contract and his play obviously hasn't aged well. But if we are going to discuss it we can be honest. Look at Cali's post, nobody has a better read on this player before his time here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The next 20 games are telling, too early to say still IMO. I don't think they will struggle without Barkov to make the playoffs, because they are getting Tkachuk back soon. Missing them both plus SC hangover has affected them more than I thought so far, although they are still totally in the race.

Its too early to say if they are old? lol they are...3rd oldest in the league. They might have a couple runs left to be fair but then its Penguins/Hawks city.

I have never said they were out of it, all I said is they are going to be in the bubble. It was a homer take to suggest otherwise.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I mean if you want to call me a homer regarding the Panthers then go ahead, like I said, I don't feel like it's an insult and that I have to start yelling at the clouds. But I would also like to point out, that in my opinion, being positive about a team that has gone to three straight finals and won two cups, is a bit more justified then being positive about the Flames. It's not fun but it's reality.


The real irony here is that you of all people, are calling other people homer. That is literally just funny.

If the Flames won back to back cups, I would not criticize anything they did for a long time.

The Panthers win more playoff series a year, than the Flames have in their past 20. So it is much easier to have criticism towards the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

If the Flames won back to back cups, I would not criticize anything they did for a long time.

The Panthers win more playoff series a year, than the Flames have in their past 20. So it is much easier to have criticism towards the Flames.

sure but that's easy to say now...Flames won the cup in 89, they still made terrible moves in the early 90s and us homers gave them a pass. We were still being homers.

I have nothing against homers, I encourage it...fans should have bias. Just those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You can also be biased the other direction which seems like a good time.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What? That's just so much revisionist b.s. Maybe 2nd after Barkov, but that's only in terms of his importance to the team and role he played. He was very much their top offensive forward, and he literally turned Anthony Duclair into a 30 goal winger. Reinhart arrived that big year, and Huberdeau was a major part of revitalizing him offensively. To say he didn't drive the offense or wasn't important to the team is utter bull####.

Look, I don't know what happened to Huberdeau when he got traded. It's still one of the most curious and odd things I can remember happening to a hockey player. I watched him a TON in Florida, and he was dynamic, creative, and absolutely could create offense out of nothing. Since being traded and coming to Calgary, he just looks like a completely different player. Whether it's a rapid drop off in his skills, or just losing confidence, or playing a different system, or a combination of all three things, I don't know. All I know is that he is simply NOT the player I watched for years in Florida. He was barely okay defensively, but he was an absolute force offensively. I simply don't know what happened that caused him the change.

The trade was the right call. It just didn't turn out well for the Flames, but it was still absolutely the right move to keep the team at the top of the standings.

What's the lesson? #### happens I guess.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When we brought him in, I honestly thought he'd be our replacement for Johnny G.. Similar point production, mostly assists, I thought he'd be our dynamic playmaker. And then Kadri was going to take the role of Tkatchuk. In hindsight, that did not happen, and I don't think even Florida realized how good Tkatchuk would turn out for them (when he's healthy).

You win some, you lose some, and the Flames lost out on this trade in hindsight.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure I understand the point of going back and cherry picking a bunch of posts from this thread. I think we can agree many (not all) thought this trade would work out way better than it did, including across the hockey world.

But if you are going to take the time to call people out for their posts why would you not include your own?

Like these...

Because it's amusing?

I spent a few minutes perusing the first 3 pages and used what I saw. I didn't get to mine among the 200 pages of comments. I don't have time for that.

I'm glad you had time to gather quotes from specifically from my old account. A lot of people were dead wrong, myself included.

It is a little weird though.

Instead of having fun and laughing along, you springboard into a little witch hunt post.

You have quite the knack for sucking the fun out of things and making something that could be fun into 'example making' or whatever. Should expect as much from Captain Serious of CP.

[topfiverecords]

Hull / St. Louis

Gilmour trade.

It was in.

Phaneuf trade.

Jankowski.

Iginla trade.

Neal/Lucic.

Bennett.

Sutter.

Gaudreau leaving.

Tkachuk trade.

There's still meat on those topics I'm sure.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Because it's amusing?

I spent a few minutes perusing the first 3 pages and used what I saw. I didn't get to mine among the 200 pages of comments. I don't have time for that.

I'm glad you had time to gather quotes from specifically from my old account. A lot of people were dead wrong, myself included.

It is a little weird though.

Instead of having fun and laughing along, you springboard into a little witch hunt post.

You have quite the knack for sucking the fun out of things and making something that could be fun into 'example making' or whatever. Should expect as much from Captain Serious of CP.

Lord knows time is a scarce resource when you’re spending 10-15 minutes constructing and editing a post on CP at 12:55 AM.

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