[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I mean if calling people homers, when they are homers, is somehow insulting then that's on them. It's the truth. I don't go on here everyday yelling and being a nazi about it.

There are many homers on this site, no idea why you are getting grilled for stating a fact.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I can't be arsed to go back and look at my comments but I remember being slightly critical of Huberdeau and got absolutely #### on by the regular homers here. It was hilarious.

Yeah, I was pretty apprehensive about it as well and didn't see the wizardry others saw. I was getting convinced by the majority that maybe it was a good deal for us, but it never really felt good in my gut. I'll admit, I was one of the people that also thought we also had to sign Huberdeau quickly to mitigate a total disaster, but then after seeing the contract, it seemed even worse.

The whole tail end of the Treliving era was like watching Mr. Bean trying to solve problems on the fly.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I was not even on this site in 2022, another blatant lie from you.

And actually at the time I said I wish we would rebuild, but also said the trade itself was pretty much about the best value you could get if you are going all in for a cup run.

It is obvious now they should have started a rebuild, but most people I know were happy with the return at the time.

I don't think you are Ashasx, but you are definitely as negative as he was.

Ok i'll reword it. You are a Ashasx in 2025. lol

[Jiggy_12]

This is beyond ridiculous.

How many trades have gone right? Should we dredge those threads up too and point out the people who thought those were bad trades?

I was one of the ones who loved this trade. It didn't turn out even close to what I hoped it would. That doesn't change the fact that in that moment it seemed like a good return for a player that the entire world knew wanted to be traded and had control over where he would go.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

There are many homers on this site, no idea why you are getting grilled for stating a fact.

...ummm because his fact was a lie? lol.

[MikePatton]

For anyone that doesn't know:

Up near the top of the page, right below the page number selector, there's a 'Search this thread' function. If you advanced search it, you can search by user. Very easy to find all of one user's posts in a thread.

Saqe made a comment about Huberdeau not being very fast and then their run of posts afterward are them defending themselves (I'm using the word 'defending' generously) for saying that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MikePatton

For anyone that doesn't know:

Up near the top of the page, right below the page number selector, there's a 'Search this thread' function. If you advanced search it, you can search by user. Very easy to find all of one user's posts in a thread.

Saqe made a comment about Huberdeau not being very fast and then their run of posts afterward are them defending themselves (I'm using the word 'defending' generously) for saying that.

Saqe:

I'll add this before going to bed.

On the surface it's a big win for the Flames. Obviously Calgary is adding a ton of cap space so that plays a factor. Ultimately all depends on what kind of contracts Huby and Weegar will sign if they sign. Both players probably needed a change in scenery so it will be interesting to see if they will stick.

But on the surface it's a big win for the Flames since they have the cap space to do this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

This is beyond ridiculous.

How many trades have gone right? Should we dredge those threads up too and point out the people who thought those were bad trades?

I was one of the ones who loved this trade. It didn't turn out even close to what I hoped it would. That doesn't change the fact that in that moment it seemed like a good return for a player that the entire world knew wanted to be traded and had control over where he would go.

Technically Tkachuk never said he wanted to be traded. He said he wasn't going to sign an extension but was prepared to play out his contract in Calgary. It necessitated a trade to make sure we got something for him, but that was on the team and GM, not the player.

[TheScorpion]

I think it's high time for you all to discuss something more interesting. Like unicycles. Or bowling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah and I said more or less what I recall, which was essentially that people were overrating Huberdeau but that Weegar was a really good pickup, and that they absolutely should not sign Huberdeau to a long term deal until they'd had a chance to see him play for a while in a Flames uniform to see how it would go, because unlike Tkachuk he wasn't a real offensive driver in his own right and that any long term deal would age poorly.

So yeah, not misremembering anything. I also hated the Huberdeau contract but was very in favour of the Weegar one for the same reasons. If I was wrong about something it was how fast Huberdeau would fall off a cliff, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who saw that coming.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I don't think you are Ashasx, but you are definitely as negative as he was.

Ok i'll reword it. You are a Ashasx in 2025. lol

I am only negative about Flames ownership/upper management besides Conroy. I despise Edwards and Maloney and crew so I always go on rants.

But I am not always negative. I usually always defend Wolf if someone criticizes his play. I compared him to Hasek last year many times. I also always defend Coronato and Parekh. I'm just not the biggest fan of the vets, but it is not their fault. My anger is more towards management not having traded some of them.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Odd bump.

Who wouldn't be excited about a player that matched the career high as Gaudreau in the same year? Topped off with a top pairing defender, a 1st, and prospect? The reactions were on par of what any fanbase would feel after giving up a franchise winger.

Unfortunately, this further proves it's a lot easier to score in the East than the West, in my opinion. Huberdeau has had to adjust, albeit very slowly but he has. He's a completely different forward than what he was in Florida, at the cost of significant production loss.

A lot had to go right for Florida, and it did. They were able to acquire other players along with Tkachuk, through trades, waivers, etc. and bought in Maurice's gameplan. The last bullet in the previous sentence is the most important part of the whole thing: coaching. Florida found a coach and built around his playstyle.

[getbak]

This is why I've always said that threads should auto-lock if they haven't had a post in them for more than one month (or six months or a year -- whatever makes sense). I don't know if the forum software can do that, but it should.

Necrobumps are weird. The only good one was the weird glitch that bumped the original E=NG thread that had something like 4 posts in it after a decade or so.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You don't like people ####ting on you for have a critical view.
And yet you think you are perfectly OK calling people homers.

Ok...

Seems like you only want more respect for views, that are like your own, instead of also offering respect for different views.

Having a different view of something has no value if it's not reality. Reality or truth is not optional, or shouldn't be. I don't have a problem with criticism if there is some reason behind it, or at least I try not to.


But I'll refrain using the term homer then, I didn't think it was even any way an insult.

[PepsiFree]

Calling other fans of the same team as you “homers” is just such an absolute loser move.

It’s interesting that it’s never the people with nuanced, insightful critical takes on the team, but the people with the weakest takes who throw it out any time they’re questioned at all. Pretty sad boys. Grow up.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Saqe:

Try harder? Or get a life lol.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Having a different view of something has no value if it's not reality. Reality or truth is not optional, or shouldn't be. I don't have a problem with criticism if there is some reason behind it, or at least I try not to.


But I'll refrain using the term homer then, I didn't think it was even any way an insult.

When debating opinions there isn't really a definition of reality.

If someone is ignoring actual facts that's different. But that's not what we are talking about in most cases on this site.

And you don't think when someone has outlined their views, that someone calling them a "homer" is not insulting?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am only negative about Flames ownership/upper management besides Conroy. I despise Edwards and Maloney and crew so I always go on rants.

But I am not always negative. I usually always defend Wolf if someone criticizes his play. I compared him to Hasek last year many times. I also always defend Coronato and Parekh. I'm just not the biggest fan of the vets, but it is not their fault. My anger is more towards management not having traded some of them.

“Despise” is a word that should be used very sparingly.

[fotze2]

Who dafuq remembers what other posters thoughts were on things years ago, nor cares.

a) you need to be memorable in some way.
b) we are all wrong all the time. If we were not we would all be living on a yacht paid for by sports gambling.
c) Persecuted three years ago by these nasty posters 3 years ago, no one cares. WGAF.
d) Be more remarkable.

[BigThief]

Can't be arsed to go back and look but I said some amazing things that people didn't like and I'm basically a genius. Don't actually look though