[Trade] Canucks trade Quinn Hughes to the Wild for 2026 1st, Rossi, Buium, and Ohgren

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If picking up 24 year old Rossi counts as part of a rebuilding trade, surely picking up 24 year old Farabee can also count. Let’s see if the Canucks make 6 more rebuilding trades before we call it a rebuild.

It's pretty clear that Farabee is almost 30 whereas Rossi is in his early 20s.

If you can't see that difference I don't know what to tell you.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If picking up 24 year old Rossi counts as part of a rebuilding trade, surely picking up 24 year old Farabee can also count. Let’s see if the Canucks make 6 more rebuilding trades before we call it a rebuild.

Hughes was the oldest piece in the trade which was not the case when Calgary acquired Farabee and Frost. Farabee is turning 26 in a couple months same draft as Hughes. Rossi is from the same draft as Zary who some consider part of the Flames future. I also liked the Frost/Farabee deal for Calgary

The Flames started trading their vets for picks when they sent Zadorov to the Canucks over 2 years ago and the Canucks started now.

I am sure the Canucks would rather have kept what turned out to be the 12th pick in the draft for Marcus Pettersson that was a stupid win now move to try and convince Hughes to stay. Dumb move.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

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Any trade to Vancouver had to have a D coming back and if they are looking veteran - I don't think any team was offering their stars in return. Not at this point in the season.

They could have gone for a Huberdeau and Weeger from someone.

There's no point talking about what they didn't do. They made a purely rebuilding trade. That's what they did, and it's what we can also do if we decide to. The question we're all waiting for an answer to is... will we?

I've decided to wait and see what we do before getting into it any further.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hughes was the oldest piece in the trade which was not the case when Calgary acquired Farabee and Frost. Farabee is turning 26 in a couple months same draft as Hughes. Rossi is from the same draft as Zary who some consider part of the Flames future.

The Flames started trading their vets for picks when they sent Zadorov to the Canucks over 2 years ago and the Canucks started now.

I am sure the Canucks would rather have kept what turned out to be the 12th pick in the draft for Marcus Pettersson that was a stupid win now move to try and convince Hughes to stay. Dumb move.

Kuzmenko was the oldest piece in the Frost/Farabee trade, so it is kinda the same.

Rossi also will be getting close to 26 a year from now.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hughes was the oldest piece in the trade which was not the case when Calgary acquired Farabee and Frost. Farabee is turning 26 in a couple months same draft as Hughes. Rossi is from the same draft as Zary who some consider part of the Flames future.

The Flames started trading their vets for picks when they sent Zadorov to the Canucks over 2 years ago and the Canucks started now.

I am sure the Canucks would rather have kept what turned out to be the 12th pick in the draft for Marcus Pettersson that was a stupid win now move to try and convince Hughes to stay. Dumb move.

The Farabee/Frost deal is held as some example of why the flames aren't re-building. I look at that deal as them trying to help the team last year, but not at the expense of much. They acquired 2 guys, in their RFA years for some bit pieces and a 2nd.

If Farabee/Frost were rentals I get it. But that single deal, given their ages, doesn't signal they aren't re-building. Particularly with the context of the other moves made and not made.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

They could have gone for a Huberdeau and Weeger from someone.

There's no point talking about what they didn't do. They made a purely rebuilding trade. That's what they did, and it's what we can also do if we decide to. The question we're all waiting for an answer to is... will we?

The Flames have already been making deals that are exactly the same type.
Young roster players and picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Farabee/Frost deal is held as some example of why the flames aren't re-building. I look at that deal as them trying to help the team last year, but not at the expense of much. They acquired 2 guys, in their RFA years for some bit pieces and a 2nd.

If Farabee/Frost were rentals I get it. But that single deal, given their ages, doesn't signal they aren't re-building. Particularly with the context of the other moves made and not made.

I like that trade especially if they feel it allows them to move Coleman and Kadri because to a lesser extent Farabee and Frost can fill their roles.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like that trade especially if they feel it allows them to move Coleman and Kadri because to a lesser extent Farabee and Frost can fill their roles.

Totally agree
Provides some important roster flexibility going forward

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like that trade especially if they feel it allows them to move Coleman and Kadri because to a lesser extent Farabee and Frost can fill their roles.

Frost has already taken the spot between Huberdeau and Coronato that Kadri had last season.

[Blaster86]

Guys, this thread is about the Canucks trading the best defenceman they ever had and current captain, not the Flames rebuild. Please keep on topic while I cry.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The main thing that signals a commitment to rebuilding is allowing the team to be bad. Like, not making moves aimed at maybe if everything goes right having a chance to possibly sneak into a wild card berth.

The Flames were not rebuilding when they traded Tkachuk. They were by the time they traded Lindholm.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Rossi is 9 months younger than Sharangovich was when we acquired him and 3 months older than Bahl was when we acquired him. Rossi is part of a rebuilding trade and Bahl and Sharangovich were parts of retooling trades.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's pretty clear that Farabee is almost 30 whereas Rossi is in his early 20s.

If you can't see that difference I don't know what to tell you.

And this is where I start getting pissed off and have to walk away. Vancouver did not trade Hughes for Rossi. They traded him for Buium + the other three things. Not saying Rossi is garbage, but thinking he was the main target is absolutely insane. I'm not even gonna waste my time talking about Sharangovich. On what planet was the trade even remotely similar to this one? (That's 100% rhetorical btw. Do not feel like you've been invited to explain it to me lol.)

I'm not getting into this any further than this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Guys, this thread is about the Canucks trading the best defenceman they ever had and current captain, not the Flames rebuild. Please keep on topic while I cry.

You may have to organize a riot.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like that trade especially if they feel it allows them to move Coleman and Kadri because to a lesser extent Farabee and Frost can fill their roles.

Could not agree more.

I liked the trade anyway, but that would be taking the bull by the horns in accelerating a rebuild.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

And this is where I start getting pissed off and have to walk away. Vancouver did not trade Hughes for Rossi. They traded him for Buium + the other three things. Not saying Rossi is garbage, but thinking he was the main target is absolutely insane. I'm not even gonna waste my time talking about Sharangovich. On what planet was the trade even remotely similar to this one? (That's 100% rhetorical btw. Do not feel like you've been invited to explain it to me lol.)

I'm not getting into this any further than this.

Never said they did. They traded him for a combination of younger roster players and picks. Just like the trades the Flames did. They are the same types of deal with the difference being the value being way higher for vancouver because of the player they dealt.

Did the Markstrom deal contain picks and young roster players? Yes
Did the Toffoli deal contain picks and young roster players? Yes
Did the Hughes deal contain picks and young roster player? Yes

All 3 deals include roster players in the same age range (23/24) and other more futures-based pieces. Including Buium who is the type of young blue chipper you don't get easily unless you are trading a premium player like Hughes.

But beyond the value difference, which can be easily explain, YOU tell me what the difference is.

I also didn't say Rossi was the main target.

So maybe don't get pissed off about things people haven't said.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

And this is where I start getting pissed off and have to walk away. Vancouver did not trade Hughes for Rossi. They traded him for Buium + the other three things. Not saying Rossi is garbage, but thinking he was the main target is absolutely insane. I'm not even gonna waste my time talking about Sharangovich. On what planet was the trade even remotely similar to this one? (That's 100% rhetorical btw. Do not feel like you've been invited to explain it to me lol.)

I'm not getting into this any further than this.

The Flames did not make a single trade where a roster player was the key piece until Frost/Farabee. Yet you call those trades retooling trades. But a trade where there is at least one retooling element for the Canucks that is a rebuilding trade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The Flames were not rebuilding when they traded Tkachuk. They were by the time they traded Lindholm.

100% agreed. And I think we probably all agreed things would be better if they had either taken a futures deal for Tkachuk (the Canes one) or flipped Hubey for futures after. But they were clearly trying to salvage a contention window at the time, and all their moves showed that (same with trading the 1st with Monahan to sign Kadri.)

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Never said they did. They traded him for a combination of younger roster players and picks. Just like the trades the Flames did. They are the same types of deal with the difference being the value being way higher for vancouver because of the player they dealt.

Did the Markstrom deal contain picks and young roster players? Yes
Did the Toffoli deal contain picks and young roster players? Yes
Did the Hughes deal contain picks and young roster player? Yes

All 3 deals include roster players in the same age range (23/24).

YOU tell me what the difference is.

I also didn't say Rossi was the main target.

So maybe don't get pissed off about things people haven't said.

I don't get pissed off at you guys. I get pissed off at my inability to explain something that is so clear to me in my own head to people who seem to not have any problem understanding what others are saying.

The trades CGY have made and the one VAN has just made are sooo night and day, clear as a bell different to me but I just can't get it into words. There's such a massive pattern to the Flames' deals and nothing about this Canucks one matches up with it (beyond "hockey players were traded for hockey players").

It's not you guys. There's actually something wrong with my brain that blocks what's in it from getting out of it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like that trade especially if they feel it allows them to move Coleman and Kadri because to a lesser extent Farabee and Frost can fill their roles.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I don't get pissed off at you guys. I get pissed off at my inability to explain something that is so clear to me in my own head to people who seem to not have any problem understanding what others are saying.

The trades CGY have made and the one VAN has just made are sooo night and day, clear as a bell different to me but I just can't get it into words.

It's not you guys. There's actually something wrong with my brain that blocks what's in it from getting out of it.

Ok all good. I will accept we have a different view of it and move on

Edit: didn’t mean to quote Vinny. Not sure how that happened

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames did not make a single trade where a roster player was the key piece until Frost/Farabee. Yet you call those trades retooling trades. But a trade where there is at least one retooling element for the Canucks that is a rebuilding trade.

The Toffoli trade was a roster piece unless the flames were trading their 34 goal 73pt winger for a third.

That deal was also before they started selling guys for picks and was more about shedding cap. They got younger but also got the worse player