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Old 12-13-2025, 06:23 PM   #15801
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Would Coleman for Bourque and a 2nd work for everyone?
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Old 12-13-2025, 06:24 PM   #15802
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There were pundits that were calling VAN not jsut contenders, but their pick for cup winner, last year.

In less than a season and a half, they let Lindholm walk, chased Miller out of town, fired a coach, turned Pettersson into a basket case, and traded away one of the best defensemen in the league.

<slow clap>

Their pro roster is a mess and some of their trades are brutal but they've quickly leaned into a rebuild and already have a better group of young players than the flames despite the fact our team has been out of contention way longer. And they still have lots of players on the roster with positive trade value

I think they especially deserve credit for pivoting quickly this season and increasing their odds of adding a franchise player in this next draft by moving Hughes early, and resisting trading him for a bunch of older players like the flames did with tkachuk

Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki are all going to be core pieces for them for a long time. If they keep sucking and add mckenna they will be better than the flames more quickly and for quite a while too. They are doing a rebuild in like 3 years while ours is taking a decade because of how ####ing stupid our executive and ownership is
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Would Coleman for Bourque and a 2nd work for everyone?
A second is useless, Coleman at least should return a 1st+

He is a proven playoff success
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Their pro roster is a mess and some of their trades are brutal but they've quickly leaned into a rebuild and already have a better group of young players than the flames despite the fact our team has been out of contention way longer. And they still have lots of players on the roster with positive trade value

I think they especially deserve credit for pivoting quickly this season and increasing their odds of adding a franchise player in this next draft by moving Hughes early, and resisting trading him for a bunch of older players like the flames did with tkachuk

Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki are all going to be core pieces for them for a long time. If they keep sucking and add mckenna they will be better than the flames more quickly and for quite a while too. They are doing a rebuild in like 3 years while ours is taking a decade because of how ####ing stupid our executive and ownership is
No they don't have better young players. [edit: I'm talking Parekh/Wolf/Coronato/Brusz/Kuznetsov/Gridin/Reschny/Potter - I think they are good as what the Canucks have and as far as the draft goes, they aren't that far apart in picks even now]

And as I said before, they didn't "resist" trading Hughes for an equivalent older player. They weren't offered one, apparently. You think they turn down Heiskenan and, say, Hintz plus a pick for Hughes? Because that's the equivalent of the trade the Flames made (at least that's how it looked at the time).

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Old 12-13-2025, 06:30 PM   #15805
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Bourque was a 1st round pick. Trying to temper my return expectations for a 2nd/3rd line winger.

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A second is useless, Coleman at least should return a 1st+

He is a proven playoff success
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Their pro roster is a mess and some of their trades are brutal but they've quickly leaned into a rebuild and already have a better group of young players than the flames despite the fact our team has been out of contention way longer. And they still have lots of players on the roster with positive trade value

I think they especially deserve credit for pivoting quickly this season and increasing their odds of adding a franchise player in this next draft by moving Hughes early, and resisting trading him for a bunch of older players like the flames did with tkachuk

Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki are all going to be core pieces for them for a long time. If they keep sucking and add mckenna they will be better than the flames more quickly and for quite a while too. They are doing a rebuild in like 3 years while ours is taking a decade because of how ####ing stupid our executive and ownership is
Imagine thinking that Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki is better than Wolf, Coronato, Parekh, Reschny and Gridin. What a time to be alive. Gridin has already done more in the AHL than Lekkerimaki ever did, Reschny has produced more at every level of hockey than Cootes, Coronato had 47 points in his 22 year old year to Rossi’s 40 points, with Wolf and Parekh left to compete with Buium and Willander.

Almost incredible to think they have better young players, leaving aside that you cannot go past 5 because that is basically where their prospect depth ends.
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With Seguin done for season, can see nill going for a player like Faulk over Andersson as acquisition cost is probably more affordable.

Nill doesn’t have a history of overpaying (with possible exception of Rantanen, but that’s a different level than Andersson).

Can see another team beating Dallas’ offer, even as a rental.
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Their pro roster is a mess and some of their trades are brutal but they've quickly leaned into a rebuild and already have a better group of young players than the flames despite the fact our team has been out of contention way longer. And they still have lots of players on the roster with positive trade value

Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki are all going to be core pieces for them for a long time. If they keep sucking and add mckenna they will be better than the flames more quickly and for quite a while too. They are doing a rebuild in like 3 years while ours is taking a decade because of how ####ing stupid our executive and ownership is
Eh, seems like in true pessimist form you are counting all of the Canucks prospects as givens and discounting the Flames. I wouldn’t trade the Flames prospects for the Canucks prospects.
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Bichsel and a 2nd for Andersson would be fair. In my proposal with Dallas, I would say Coleman at 50% is worth Dallas' 2027 1st.

I only think Bichsel is worth it based on the injury, but I just looked up the injury and it's only for a 6-8 weeks rather than the whole season like I thought it was.

With the Seguin injury, they do have some flexibility with rentals, but if they want Andersson they're going to need to pay Bichsel+ for us to consider it. I don't really like the other prospects they have. Maybe Hemming, but I prefer a center.
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Old 12-13-2025, 06:36 PM   #15810
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Their pro roster is a mess and some of their trades are brutal but they've quickly leaned into a rebuild and already have a better group of young players than the flames despite the fact our team has been out of contention way longer. And they still have lots of players on the roster with positive trade value

I think they especially deserve credit for pivoting quickly this season and increasing their odds of adding a franchise player in this next draft by moving Hughes early, and resisting trading him for a bunch of older players like the flames did with tkachuk

Willander, Buium, Cootes, Rossi and Lekkerimaki are all going to be core pieces for them for a long time. If they keep sucking and add mckenna they will be better than the flames more quickly and for quite a while too. They are doing a rebuild in like 3 years while ours is taking a decade because of how ####ing stupid our executive and ownership is
No they don't.

Buium = Parekh
Willander > Brzustewicz,
Cootes = Reschny
Rossi = Coronato
Lekkerimaki = Gridin

But we also have:

Wolf in net, with a deeper pool

Bahl, Kuznetsov, Mews on D

Zary, Honzek, Suniev, Wyttenbach and a much deeper secondary core of prospects up front

We have more picks upcoming than they do, and we'll be selling valuable assets this year to add more (much more than they can)
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Old 12-13-2025, 06:39 PM   #15811
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For Andersson, I still want us to look into Carolina heavily. Would do Andersson for Nikishin straight up. Why do they consider that? Well, Slavin and Miller are already the top and middle pairing LD signed long term. I think Nikishin with the right deal could happen. If not Andersson, then maybe they would offer Nikishin, Kotkaniemi, and a 1st for Kadri. The Canes lack a legitimate 1-2 punch of Aho - ? and Kadri would fit that perfectly. 2C and a top pairing RD are their biggest needs.

Some of Canes' assets:
CAR 1sts 2026-2028
DAL 1st (2028)
Nikishin
Nadeau
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Old 12-13-2025, 06:40 PM   #15812
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Would Coleman for Bourque and a 2nd work for everyone?
Rather keep Coleman than get this return. He won’t be worth less next year at the deadline if this is the best offer the team gets
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Man, I hope Detroit steps up in trade talks- they have the best stuff.
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Bourque was a 1st round pick. Trying to temper my return expectations for a 2nd/3rd line winger.
So did Pelletier

He was drafted 5 yrs ago and so far I am not impressed

Bottom or middle 6 at best

Coleman is not an ordinary 3rd liner. He has won, more than once. That’s valuable
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Old 12-13-2025, 07:06 PM   #15815
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Not arguing that Blake isn't valuable but he has a 10 team trade list. I'm asking the question would Bourque (A right shot center in theory.) and a 2nd be equal value to a late first that we'd likely get? (If he turns out to be worth more than a late first then let's all do the dance of joy!) I'd imagine Farabee slides into the Coleman role and it opens up another winger spot for one of the kids while giving us a young center as well for the future which we are short on.

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So did Pelletier

He was drafted 5 yrs ago and so far I am not impressed

Bottom or middle 6 at best

Coleman is not an ordinary 3rd liner. He has won, more than once. That’s valuable
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Old 12-13-2025, 07:12 PM   #15816
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Rather keep Coleman than get this return. He won’t be worth less next year at the deadline if this is the best offer the team gets
Man...I think Coleman getting a first round pick is a stretch....Kadri, Andersson... sure, a 2nd a b level prospect is probably what you are getting for Coleman
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Man, I hope Detroit steps up in trade talks- they have the best stuff.
Can’t see it. If yzerman won’t open the vault for Hughes, I can’t see him giving anything that we would be interested for Andersson.

NHL GMs are far too cautious. Was really nice to see Guerin go full cowboy and belly up to the bar. Need more Guerins in the league and hoping Minny goes on to win to show all these other chicken schitts how it’s done.
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Old 12-13-2025, 07:36 PM   #15818
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Not arguing that Blake isn't valuable but he has a 10 team trade list. I'm asking the question would Bourque (A right shot center in theory.) and a 2nd be equal value to a late first that we'd likely get? (If he turns out to be worth more than a late first then let's all do the dance of joy!) I'd imagine Farabee slides into the Coleman role and it opens up another winger spot for one of the kids while giving us a young center as well for the future which we are short on.
In a word, no. Hold out for a first. Hagel and Goodrow went for firsts. Second plus prospect is what we got for tanev and that’s not overly exciting (vet gm made a rookie GM blink).

Late first ok, anything outside of that and we should hold onto him.
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Dallas has inquired on both Andersson and Coleman as a package.
But they’re pretty slim on both prospects and picks…
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Does Saturday night hockey no longer have a rumors segment? If so, anything interesting?
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