[Trade] Canucks trade Quinn Hughes to the Wild for 2026 1st, Rossi, Buium, and Ohgren

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

???

Quite possibly the worst management in the NHL.

(EDM not withstanding, of course)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

The Flames have made more rebuilding trades than the Canucks.

The Flames didn't give a pick for Evander Kane, didn't sign a 28 year old 50 point winger to a 7 year deal, did't sign a 29 year old D4 to a long term deal, didn't give up a 4th round pick for a guy they then put right onto waivers, etc etc

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Looking at who the Canucks would be rebuilding around, you've got:

Forwards:
1. Jonathan Lekkerimaki (21);
2. Braeden Cootes (18);
3. Marco Rossi (24);
4. Nils Hoglander (24);
5. Aatu Ray (23)
6. Liam Ohgren (21)

Defensemen:
1. Zeev Buium (20);
2. Tom Wilander (20);
3. Elias Pettersson (21);
4. Victor Mancini (23);
5. Sawyer Minio (20);
6. Kirill Kudryavtsev (21)

Goalie - Aleksei Medvedev (18)
.

When you compared that to the Flames I still think the Flames are a lot better.

Forwards
1. Coronato (23)
2. Honzek (21)
3. Gridin (19)
4. Zary (24)
5. Reschny (18)
6. Potter (18)
7. Stockselius (18)
8. Wyttenbach (18)

Defence
1. Parekh (19)
2. Brsustewicz (20)
3. Kuznetsov (23)
4. Mews (19)
5. Jamieson (20)

Goalies
1. Wolf

Currently the Canucks have 4 first round picks over the next 3 years, 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks for a total of 8 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 3 years

Flames currently have 4 first round picks, 3 second round picks and 4 3rd round picks for a total of 11 picks in the first 3 rounds of the next 3 drafts.

Pretty sure the Flames add to both the total number of picks in the next 3 rounds and likely the prospects under 25 in the next 75 days or so, not so sure the Canucks do in any substantive way.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

Their ownership is just as bad as ours is. It is a close race at the bottom.

I wouldn't exactly use them as a model franchise to follow, though I think the trade yesterday was good for them given the circumstances.

[Jay Random]

That's a good list, Aarongavey. Thanks!

I might possibly add Zarubin to the prospect list. He's putting up gaudy numbers in the MHL this year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Garland already is good value at his contract price. Boeser would have signed for at least that much in another market this past off-season, so he has at least some value right now.

But the thing is you just have to put these guys in a position to put up numbers with PP time and so on, and trade them some time in the next year and a half when they're playing well. Even the goalies will probably have a 3 month stretch of good play at some point and you'll be able to offload them for a 2nd rounder to some desperate team (depending on Demko ever being healthy enough to play for 3 straight months, I guess).

If your plan is to be bad for 2 years you have some flexibility to get rid of guys when another desperate GM or two is able to convince themselves that this is the guy who can be a difference maker for them.

Well I guess I think that if a 7.25 million dollar Boeser who had 50 points last year (40% of his production on the PP) and 16 points this year (31% on the PP) has value then a 10.5 million dollar Huberdeau who had 62 points last year (37% on the PP) and 15 points this year (33% on the PP) probably also has some value. Suspect the value for either player is pretty minimal though.

If Garland at 6 million is value then Farabee at 5 million is really good value. He is a far better defensive player and after one bad year he has bounced back to his normal 40-50 point self (basically the same as Garland).

I doubt any team is taking a 8.5 million dollar Demko for anything. He is the third highest paid goalie in hockey starting next year. Two good months won’t change the fact he is vastly overpaid. I am just assuming a 4.5 million dollar Lankinen through 2030 is completely untradable.

Either way I would much rather have the Flames group of prospects/picks and I would rather have the Flames group of potentially tradeable veteran assets. Both are much much better than what the Canucks have.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Their ownership is just as bad as ours is. It is a close race at the bottom.

If what is being said is true, he's given the green light to burn it down to the ashes.


Who knows if he's willing to go all the way with it and take the two or three years required of just letting things play out, but right now the expectation is most of, if not all of, their movable pieces will be moved.


I'd expect Demko to be the only piece left when all is said and done and that's more so because he has the ability to say no and likely will exercise that even after everyone else moves on.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If what is being said is true, he's given the green light to burn it down to the ashes.


Who knows if he's willing to go all the way with it and take the two or three years required of just letting things play out, but right now the expectation is most of, if not all of, their movable pieces will be moved.


I'd expect Demko to be the only piece left when all is said and done and that's more so because he has the ability to say no and likely will exercise that even after everyone else moves on.

I don't think two or three years is near enough for what's needed in Vancouver, but if I think about these rumours of management having strong inklings that Hughes wouldn't extend but still going ahead with Boeser and Garland extensions, plus all of the other moves, my guess is the Canucks will accept this season for what it is and hope the lottery balls fall their way, and then start making moves this summer after the draft to ramp up to compete for a playoff spot next season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If what is being said is true, he's given the green light to burn it down to the ashes.


Who knows if he's willing to go all the way with it and take the two or three years required of just letting things play out, but right now the expectation is most of, if not all of, their movable pieces will be moved.


I'd expect Demko to be the only piece left when all is said and done and that's more so because he has the ability to say no and likely will exercise that even after everyone else moves on.

??? Demko doesn't have a NMC this year (it kicks in next season). But Lankinen, both Pettersons, Boeser, Debrusk, Hronek and Meyers all have full NMCs. Kane has a modified NTC, as does O'Connor.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well I guess I think that if a 7.25 million dollar Boeser who had 50 points last year (40% of his production on the PP) and 16 points this year (31% on the PP) has value then a 10.5 million dollar Huberdeau who had 62 points last year (37% on the PP) and 15 points this year (33% on the PP) probably also has some value. Suspect the value for either player is pretty minimal though.

If Garland at 6 million is value then Farabee at 5 million is really good value. He is a far better defensive player and after one bad year he has bounced back to his normal 40-50 point self (basically the same as Garland).

Huberdeau's 4 years older and a 45% higher cap hit, so no, those are not comparable, not to mention Boeser is a goal scorer (34th in goals in the NHL in the past 3 years) where Huberdeau is a playmaker (92nd in assists over the same span).

Farabee could get himself to a place where they could get some value for him, but Garland is consistently a guy who puts up somewhere in the range of 20 goals and 50 points despite playing mostly 3rd line minutes and limited PP time - This year he has 16 points in 25 games this year which is a 52 point 20 goal pace over 82. That's solid 2nd line production for 6M. Farabee has had exactly one 50 point season, and has never even hit 40 points any other year.

I think you're lying to yourself with those comparisons.

[Flamesfan05]

Dont know the point of comparing yourself to the Canucks, both teams are in terrible shape with no franchise saver in the horizon. Their future depends on how hard they can tank in the next few years

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

??? Demko doesn't have a NMC this year (it kicks in next season). But Lankinen, both Pettersons, Boeser, Debrusk, Hronek and Meyers all have full NMCs. Kane has a modified NTC, as does O'Connor.

No one is touching Demko right now and he seems pretty happy to be in Vancouver. No one will take him before it kicks in and he won't waive it after.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No one is touching Demko right now and he seems pretty happy to be in Vancouver. No one will take him before it kicks in and he won't waive it after.

That's not really the point. You said he was the only one who could say no. Half the team has a NMC. Whether they excercise it in this situation - who knows. Only Boeser is a lifer with the organization.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

??? Demko doesn't have a NMC this year (it kicks in next season). But Lankinen, both Pettersons, Boeser, Debrusk, Hronek and Meyers all have full NMCs. Kane has a modified NTC, as does O'Connor.

Why would NMCs matter? Anyone trading for these guys is going to be at least a credible playoff team. I'd have to think they'd all be pretty eager to go to anywhere that has a chance to be relevant rather than staying on a last place squad that has clearly given up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

Lol...go look at the Canucks last 10 trades vs. the Flames last 10 trades. This post has to be a troll

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Why would NMCs matter? Anyone trading for these guys is going to be at least a credible playoff team. I'd have to think they'd all be pretty eager to go to anywhere that has a chance to be relevant rather than staying on a last place squad that has clearly given up.

I just said they might want out even with an NMC. But Blaster said Demko was the only one who could say no. That's just incorrct, that's all.

Keep in mind though, some of these guys are on long term deals and wherever they waive for - that's potentially where they live for 7 more years. They might like Vancouver versus, say, Ottawa or Minneapolis. Plus, if they waive, they could be traded again if the acquiring teams moves them quickly.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Huberdeau's 4 years older and a 45% higher cap hit, so no, those are not comparable, not to mention Boeser is a goal scorer (34th in goals in the NHL in the past 3 years) where Huberdeau is a playmaker (92nd in assists over the same span).

Farabee could get himself to a place where they could get some value for him, but Garland is consistently a guy who puts up somewhere in the range of 20 goals and 50 points despite playing mostly 3rd line minutes and limited PP time - This year he has 16 points in 25 games this year which is a 52 point 20 goal pace over 82. That's solid 2nd line production for 6M. Farabee has had exactly one 50 point season, and has never even hit 40 points any other year.

I think you're lying to yourself with those comparisons.

Huberdeau has the same number of goals as Boeser over the past two years. Both players are basically untradable imo.

Not sure why the 4 year age difference is relevant for Boeser/Huberdeau but not Garland/Farabee but Garland is 4 years older. Garland has two 50 point seasons over 7 full years which I guess means consistently puts up 50 points and Farabee does only have 1 50 point season as covid screwed him out of other likely 50 point season. Farabee is also much better defensively.

I don’t follow the Canucks but according to Dobbersports he plays with Elias Pettersson and Kane this year, I guess that is the 3rd line.

Last year they seemed to have him bouncing around a lot, playing some time with Suter, some time with Pettersson and some time with JT Miller. He got about 33% of his points on the PP, which is not surprising since he had the second most minutes on the PP of any Canucks forward.

Feel pretty confident in saying that Farabee is a both a similar offensive player to Garland and is worth more than Garland.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I just said they might want out even with an NMC. But Blaster said Demko was the only one who could say no. That's just incorrct, that's all.

Keep in mind though, some of these guys are on long term deals and wherever they waive for - that's potentially where they live for 7 more years. They might like Vancouver versus, say, Ottawa or Minneapolis. Plus, if they waive, they could be traded again if the acquiring teams moves them quickly.

I said he was the only one who could say no that likely would say no.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Are people liking Vancouver's re-build more and giving them credit for leaning into it more, just because they used the word? Is that it? Because otherwise Calgary has made FAR more re-building moves at this stage than Vancouver.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Are people liking Vancouver's re-build more and giving them credit for leaning into it more, just because they used the word? Is that it? Because otherwise Calgary has made FAR more re-building moves at this stage than Vancouver.

Words are far far more important than actions.