[Trade] Canucks trade Quinn Hughes to the Wild for 2026 1st, Rossi, Buium, and Ohgren

[FanIn80]

The crazy part is Vancouver not only gets Buium + a 1st (plus the other two assets), but becuase they didn't bother trying to get an equal-level roster player back (focusing on getting the best prospect they could instead)... they're also going to get one of McKenna, Verhoeff, Lawrence or Stenberg.

Really good deal for Vancouver. I like this more for them then for Minny. I think Minny is a lot further from a Cup than Hughes is able to provide. Great pick up for sure, but not enough to move the needle for them in the deeper rounds of the playoffs.

[Toonage]

Huh? They got 2 great roster players back. Buium & Rossi. Jury is out on Ohgren

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The crazy part is Vancouver not only gets Buium + a 1st (plus the other two assets), but becuase they didn't bother trying to get a roster player back (focusing on getting the best prospect they could instead)... they're also going to get one of McKenna, Verhoeff, Lawrence or Stenberg.

Really good deal for Vancouver. I like this more for them then for Minny. I think Minny is a lot further from a Cup than Hughes is able to provide. Great pick up for sure, but not enough to move the needle for them in the deeper rounds of the playoffs.

They literally got 3 roster players back in this deal.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Huh? They got 2 great roster players back. Buium & Rossi. Jury is out on Ohgren

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They literally got 3 roster players back in this deal.

Yeah sorry, I mean like replacement-level to Hughes. Like, they didn't do a Tkachuk (100pts) for Huberdeau (100pts) kind of deal. There's zero hint of "we needed someone back who would fill Hughes' shoes right away and keep us going."

Edit: Rossi's going to be a good solid piece of their new core moving forward, but this deal is 100% Hughes for Buium+.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Hughes is right to want to leave Canada, and I applaud him for his ambition.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact he's an American who wanted to play with his brothers and might still be able to.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Canucks started their rebuild after us, and will finish it before us.

No naval gazing there. They accepted reality and set about changing it.

The Canucks shouldn't currently be in a rebuild, they should be competing yearly with a strong core.

They didn't just accept their reality; they built that reality out of no where.
Sure, give them credit for the move; but pretending their situation is something they just bad lucked or got screwed into is another matter.

If I bash my head on the wall & do a great job bandaging it up; I'm still an idiot for bashing my head on the wall.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I think alot of it has to do with the fact he's an American who wanted to play with his brothers and might still be able to.

I think the Wild felt a lot of pressure to have their own Makar/Heiskanen to compete against the Avs and the Stars. Which, when you think about it that way with how competitive the Central Division is, I think it's a brilliant, yet hefty price to pay by Guerin to go for Hughes. I think you'll be seeing a very aggressive Wild team this trade deadline, and perhaps we see them make a move for a center like Kadri or ROR at the deadline to compliment Eriksson Ek.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The Canucks shouldn't currently be in a rebuild, they should be competing yearly with a strong core.

They didn't just accept their reality; they built that reality out of no where.
Sure, give them credit for the move; but pretending their situation is something they just bad lucked or got screwed into is another matter.

If I bash my head on the wall & do a great job bandaging it up; I'm still an idiot for bashing my head on the wall.

I call it a heavy retool. The Canucks absolutely made the right move to trade Hughes with his value THIS high. It would have been foolish to wait until the offseason or next TDL. They wouldn't even be close to the return they received. There isn't a better time to do a heavy retool. The Canucks should be going for the top 4 in this draft and DuPont sweepstakes for next season (as should we). All of California is doing relatively well and on the rise, the Kraken are not a lottery team, and the Oilers and Knights are still decent teams. It made sense for the Canucks to retool/potentially rebuild if they can.

Their contention window closed at the end of the 2024 season when a top 5 goaltender in the league had knee problems and then the whole JT/EP drama. Had they beat Edmonton in either one of those years they lost to them, it's very possible they could've gone to the SCF (not winning it, but getting there) with how bruised up the Stars were against the Oilers.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Groot

Well TBF Parekh is almost 30....

I feel like I've missed out on something awesome lol.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I feel like I've missed out on something awesome lol.

Rhett44 posted that Kadri was nearly 40 years old and here we are

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It will be interesting to see if the Canucks can indeed go full scorched earth rebuild. They are still right at the cap, technically over because they are dipping into LTIR. Most of their highest paid players are locked in on big contracts with player control, so getting full value for them might not be possible.

Edit, I was wrong, they are not into the LTIR at the moment, but they are projected to be over the cap by the end of the season without more changes.

Pettersson (27), Boeser (28), Garland (29), Hronek (28) all signed for 6 more years.

Pettersson (29) and DeBrusk (29) signed for 5 more years

Demko and Lankinen together for 3 more years

That is a lot of veteran talent, signed for a very long time.

The Flames have a better prospect base, more upcoming picks, and will be trading valuable vets for more picks and prospects shortly.

But yeah, VAN is WAY ahead of us with the rebuild. /s

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pettersson (27), Boeser (28), Garland (29), Hronek (28) all signed for 6 more years.

Pettersson (29) and DeBrusk (29) signed for 5 more years

Demko and Lankinen together for 3 more years

That is a lot of veteran talent, signed for a very long time.

The Flames have a better prospect base, more upcoming picks, and will be trading valuable vets for more picks and prospects shortly.

But yeah, VAN is WAY ahead of us with the rebuild. /s

Posters are missing the fact that the Canucks are not rebuilding, they are just a bad team.

Now, maybe they do go full tear down and trade lots more vets? But I doubt it, they will try and compete with their existing vets.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Looking at who the Canucks would be rebuilding around, you've got:

Forwards:
1. Jonathan Lekkerimaki (21);
2. Braeden Cootes (18);
3. Marco Rossi (24);
4. Nils Hoglander (24);
5. Aatu Ray (23)
6. Liam Ohgren (21)

Defensemen:
1. Zeev Buium (20);
2. Tom Wilander (20);
3. Elias Pettersson (21);
4. Victor Mancini (23);
5. Sawyer Minio (20);
6. Kirill Kudryavtsev (21)

Goalie - Aleksei Medvedev (18)

If you're about to sell off all your assets and tank for two years to rebuild, that's a much better place to start from than most teams that get forced into doing so... Basically they are thin at forward but have a few guys who have a decent shot at being top 6 players but probably not all-star level guys, while being very deep at defense but without anyone besides Buium who has a good shot at all-star level play, and have one goalie prospect of any note. They desperately need a top 3 pick to spend on a center, and need to get lucky enough to have a goalie prospect hit, but it's all possible.

They should be looking to pump up value on anyone over 25 to the greatest extent possible - Boeser, DeBrusk, Pettersson, Garland, Sherwood, anyone else - and then trading them for picks or prospects from the 2021 draft or later. If they do, they could have a successful accelerated rebuild and be in good shape by 2027-2028, which is when the Oliver Ekman-Larsson buyout (which is on the books until 2030, Jesus Christ what a total disaster) goes from a 4.7M dead cap hit down to only 2M.

I seriously doubt that they will do that, though, because ownership never seems to be willing to sacrifice even one season much less two.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pettersson (27), Boeser (28), Garland (29), Hronek (28) all signed for 6 more years.

Pettersson (29) and DeBrusk (29) signed for 5 more years

Demko and Lankinen together for 3 more years

That is a lot of veteran talent, signed for a very long time.

The Flames have a better prospect base, more upcoming picks, and will be trading valuable vets for more picks and prospects shortly.

But yeah, VAN is WAY ahead of us with the rebuild. /s

I would be shocked if they got anything of value for any of those veteran contracts they have signed. Maybe DeBrusk and and certainly Hronek but that is about it. They basically have almost traded all of their tradable vets with the Hughes trade.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rhett44 posted that Kadri was nearly 40 years old and here we are

Oh lol. That's awesome.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Yeah sorry, I mean like replacement-level to Hughes. Like, they didn't do a Tkachuk (100pts) for Huberdeau (100pts) kind of deal. There's zero hint of "we needed someone back who would fill Hughes' shoes right away and keep us going."

Edit: Rossi's going to be a good solid piece of their new core moving forward, but this deal is 100% Hughes for Buium+.

It's a flawed analysis because they weren't put to that decision. No one offered a top defenceman back.

If they were offered Werensky or Dahlin for Hughes it's a different decision.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would be shocked if they got anything of value for any of those veteran contracts they have signed. Maybe DeBrusk and and certainly Hronek but that is about it.

Garland already is good value at his contract price. Boeser would have signed for at least that much in another market this past off-season, so he has at least some value right now.

But the thing is you just have to put these guys in a position to put up numbers with PP time and so on, and trade them some time in the next year and a half when they're playing well. Even the goalies will probably have a 3 month stretch of good play at some point and you'll be able to offload them for a 2nd rounder to some desperate team (depending on Demko ever being healthy enough to play for 3 straight months, I guess).

If your plan is to be bad for 2 years you have some flexibility to get rid of guys when another desperate GM or two is able to convince themselves that this is the guy who can be a difference maker for them.

[Jaydee]

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

Their management is absolutely awful, or their ownership forces them to be which is the same thing. Hell, look at what they did with their recent major trade assets - they traded Horvat for a first and some other stuff, and then flipped the first for Filip Hronek. They traded Miller for a first and some other stuff, then flipped the first for Marcus Pettersson. What makes you think they won't keep trying the same loser strategy, and trade this first for... I dunno, Alex Tuch or something equally ridiculous?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

If the flames refuse to trade assets and rebuild, I swear to God I might ####ing cheer for Vancouver. At least their ####ing management isn’t ######ed.

Do it. I dare you.