The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Brupal

If you’re going to gripe about something, at least take the time to get your facts right.

Tesla's best quarter ever was the most recent third quarter of 2025 (Q3 2025), when it achieved record vehicle deliveries (nearly 497,000) and energy storage deployments (12.5 GWh), and also posted its highest-ever quarterly revenue of $28.1 billion. Hardly stagnant.

And while we’re at it, Musk pays little tax because he isn’t paid a salary. His compensation is all in stock awards. And since his previous compensation plan was hampered by the Delaware court, Musk has not been paid in many years.

You understand people have access to facts, right? You are aware there was a huge rush to buy EV's in the US before the rebates disappeared, correct? Or is that new information to you?

Tesla faces sales pressure in the world’s three biggest car markets: Europe, China and the United States. The electric-vehicle maker's sales fell 48.5% across Europe in October versus the same month last year, according to data released by the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association on Tuesday. For the year, its sales are down about 30% in the region, while industrywide EV sales jumped 26%.

Tesla's global vehicle deliveries are expected to decline 7% this year, according to Visible Alpha, after a 1% drop in 2024. That is despite record third-quarter deliveries, which were juiced by American car buyers racing to beat the September 30 expiration of an EV tax credit.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...id-2025-11-26/

I'll give you one thing, 7% decline isn't stagnant sales, so you are correct there. Now, because you believe everything Elon tells you will happen, that must be tough to reconcile a 7% decline with his 30% "prediction" that boosted the stock price because for some reason people believe things Elon says.

Known for his oftentimes overly optimistic timelines, Musk said “To take a bit of risk here I do want to give a rough estimate which is that I think 20 to 30 percent vehicle growth next year.” After meandering for a few moments he repeated the guidance. “With our lower-cost vehicles, with the advent of autonomy, something like 20 to 30 percent growth next year is my best guess.” Share prices for Tesla jumped some 12 percent after the call.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/10/el...-share-prices/

He predicted 20 million vehicles a year of annual production by the early 2030's. So I think he's got some work to do, as this shows his forecasted growth model has some holes in it. But this was way back in 2022.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturi...be-10-million/

Ya...

As to his previous compensation plan being "hampered by a court," that's a rather hilarious spin on the fact that they broke rules meant to protect investors. Yes, those horrible courts doing the job they exist for. And no, shareholder votes can not over-rule laws. Because even the suggestion of that would be dumb for reasons you should be able to figure out.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Brupal

Musk did pay $11 billion in personal taxes in 2021. Just in case you think he gets off Scott free

Wrong again. He paid less than that, because he donated Tesla shares to his own charity to reduce his tax bill. And from that charity he has funded a private school for his kids and executives at his company, so the donation is going to some really good effective projects for the needy. Really great trade off for the American people. They give Musk a tax break and he uses the money for himself. Yup, good deal. Great man. Surprised more people don't look up to him. Start a fan club or something.

[Old Yeller]

Yeah his foundation is something else:

For the fourth year in a row, it’s been revealed that the Musk Foundation hasn’t given away the minimum amount required by law.

5% of a private foundation’s assets must be given away each year. If that target is missed, they have to donate the amount during the next year.

Given Musk hasn’t reached the minimum for the past four years, they have a lot of catching up to do.

Last year, the estimated $14billion charity gave away $474 million. The New York Times found that $370 million of that number was given to a nonprofit in Texas, which benefits Musk’s businesses in Texas, operating an elementary school near where many of his employees live.

The foundation itself is run by Musk and two volunteers, one of whom works only six minutes per week, tax filings found. The website has no contact information.

[Fuzz]

When the Russians precisely agree with the statement you make based on you being influenced by the Russians, you know the circle is complete. And it worked so well for the UK, why wouldn't the rest of the EU follow this wonderful advice from their enemy who would like nothing more than to see them torn apart? This is a naive billionaire being played like a fiddle.

Spoiler!

https://www.nber.org/system/files/wo...459/w34459.pdf

Any time Elon Musk discusses how societies should work, you want to do the opposite.

[getbak]

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-optim...way-2000696760

Tesla holds an event to show off its "autonomous" robots, but people are skeptical after seeing video of one of these robots appear to remove a non-existent VR headset before it collapses to the ground.

[Fuzz]

I can't wait to have one of these in my home, and I'm sure neither can my cat, who I would never see again.

[Yamer]

[Fuzz]

[Itse]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-optim...way-2000696760

Tesla holds an event to show off its "autonomous" robots, but people are skeptical after seeing video of one of these robots appear to remove a non-existent VR headset before it collapses to the ground.

Pretty sure it's established these aren't autonomous.

Meaning if you bring one into your home, you would never know who or even how many people would be watching you through those eyes. Or what they'd do with it when you're not looking.

I would also be surprised if those things were protected by proper cybersecurity.

You'd have to be really, really stupid to buy one.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Itse

Pretty sure it's established these aren't autonomous.

Meaning if you bring one into your home, you would never know who or even how many people would be watching you through those eyes. Or what they'd do with it when you're not looking.

I would also be surprised if those things were protected by proper cybersecurity.

You'd have to be really, really stupid to buy one.

Let the great robot purge of rich idiots begin!

[puffnstuff]

Thats a robot uprising I could cheer for

[Locke]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Thats a robot uprising I could cheer for

They could sell tickets to that, or a streaming membership.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Itse

Pretty sure it's established these aren't autonomous.

Meaning if you bring one into your home, you would never know who or even how many people would be watching you through those eyes. Or what they'd do with it when you're not looking.

I would also be surprised if those things were protected by proper cybersecurity.

You'd have to be really, really stupid to buy one.

The good news is Elon said they'd be available next year, so no one will be buying them for another 5-10 years, at least.

[GGG]

It might just be a cheaper and hidden way to bring back slavery.

Set your robots up here telework from a low cost country and have multiple robots per human intervener. You don’t need full autonomy to provide an autonomous worker who people will feel they don’t need to treat as human.

Users won’t care and it solves the edge case problem.

[Fuzz]

Users won't care if a stranger from around the world is seeing and potentially recording everything in your home it sees? I'd care.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Users won't care if a stranger from around the world is seeing and potentially recording everything in your home it sees? I'd care.

People buy Alexas and Nests willingly.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Coach

People buy Alexas and Nests willingly.

Those don't really require a tele-operator to work. Yes, they can record and random people can end up listening, but I think there's a massive chasm between that and someone able to walk around your home and direct their attention to anything that is going on.


Maybe I'm making the same mistake I often do. Overestimating humanity.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Those don't really require a tele-operator to work. Yes, they can record and random people can end up listening, but I think there's a massive chasm between that and someone able to walk around your home and direct their attention to anything that is going on.


Maybe I'm making the same mistake I often do. Overestimating humanity.

I agree there's a difference it the product, but not the people. People have just never shown this type of thought process as a mass entity. Despite virtually every individual being averse to it if you asked them 1-on-1. It's pretty much like every existential threat we've ever created. We all know it's a problem and we'll all just sit and watch it happen.

[edslunch]

As fun as it is to imagine having a Jetsons-style robot to take the drudgery out of domestic life, the reality is the majority of robots will be used by businesses to replace humans, multiple humans per bot. In this brave new world of AI replacing knowledge workers and robots replacing physical workers, who is going to pay for all this merde when substantially fewer people will have jobs?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by edslunch

As fun as it is to imagine having a Jetsons-style robot to take the drudgery out of domestic life, the reality is the majority of robots will be used by businesses to replace humans, multiple humans per bot. In this brave new world of AI replacing knowledge workers and robots replacing physical workers, who is going to pay for all this merde when substantially fewer people will have jobs?

We've been doing this for decades in factories. Because some ketamine addled fascist desires a return to the memories of slavery he grew up with in his home, he imagines you need a robot to look as human-like as possible. If slavery is taboo, this is the next best thing. Forget the reality that single purpose robots exist, and are far more practical, affordable, and useful than a human look-alike with MechaHitler for a brain.


This isn't to say human like robots won't be useful for some things, but it's ridiculous to think you'd replace single purpose machines, which is mostly what factories require, with poor imitations of humans, who were replaced by those single purpose robots.


"But my robot will drive me places!" they proclaim, without the faintest though of the redundancy when cars can drove themselves. In sci-fi you see robots sitting behind a counter serving humans. You don't need a robot for that, you need an interface. Most of these use cases turn out to be so impractical and wasteful of the utility of a general service bot that you realize how silly much of the discussion is.


If you want an idea of what this all looks like, Asimov wrote many many stories about the practical and moral considerations we are now all re-hashing. Many of his insights are still valid today, but instead we need to listen to these modern technocratic chowderheads and amplify their slavery fantasies. Which, to be clear, is all they are. Billionaires hate paying people money, and they'll do anything they can to avoid it. Ignore that fact at our peril. The motivation is not to help everyday people, it's to make them redundant.