Yeah and they failed to build a contender around him and he wanted out. The organization failed him.
I am only saying this move they made today is a good rebuild move. It needed to happen because of all the dumb trades they made before this.
That's fair...my only pushback was on the idea the shrewd Canucks decided to rebuild because they are now mentioning it. (In last place, best player wanted out, ect.)
Like I said they traded a 1st for a vet this year...they obviously thought they were going for it.
Wouldn't be shocked if they play better in the short term though...that couldn't have been easy on the lockeroom, best player is like nah, I'm out.
That's fair...my only pushback was on the idea the shrewd Canucks decided to rebuild because they are now mentioning it. (In last place, best player wanted out, ect.)
Like I said they traded a 1st for a vet this year...they obviously thought they were going for it.
Wouldn't be shocked if they play better in the short term though...that couldn't have been easy on the lockeroom, best player is like nah, I'm out.
I think they will lose a lot now. Hughes was playing 30 minutes a night and was one of their best players stats wise every night.
You don't just lose your best player and get better. It is like how people say if we trade Kadri and Andersson we will not be much worse, but I could not disagree more. The bottom would fall off if we trade our best center and best defender who are both top 20 in the NHL in points over the last month.
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Long term they will certainly do worse but sometimes after a big move like this teams pick it up for a while. similar to when a coach is fired, its a weight off the players shoulders. New guys will also want to show well.
That's fair...my only pushback was on the idea the shrewd Canucks decided to rebuild because they are now mentioning it. (In last place, best player wanted out, ect.)
Like I said they traded a 1st for a vet this year...they obviously thought they were going for it.
Wouldn't be shocked if they play better in the short term though...that couldn't have been easy on the lockeroom, best player is like nah, I'm out.
Actually they knew they weren’t going to sign Hughes as of last offseason, according to Rutherford it was highly unlikely he would re-sign. When your franchise player and best defenceman in team history wants out you probably aren’t “going for it”.
Actually they knew they weren’t going to sign Hughes as of last offseason, according to Rutherford it was highly unlikely he would re-sign. When your franchise player and best defenceman in team history wants out you probably aren’t “going for it”.
I also just try to judge by what an organization has done lately. The Skinner trade today was hilarious and really showed how incompetent the Oilers management is.
Given the Canucks circumstances and that Hughes wanted out, they really could not have made a better rebuilding trade given the circumstances.
The Flames did great moves a few years ago by trading Lindholm and Hanifin, and Markstrom. But what have they done recently? Nothing, even though trading a few of these players is an absolute no brainer move that should have been done already to help our draft position.
I do feel like I try to be fair when I judge trades. The Canucks have had horrible trades in the past but this one I like.
Allvin on after hours November 2nd 2025 8:20 when asked about tearing it down
"I don't think you can do that when you have Hughes, Demko, Petterson...ect." He goes on to double and triple down about not rebuilding when pushed by Scott. Don't take my word for it, watch it.
He named about 10 players lol not just Hughes...come on now. They went on and on about not rebuilding in November. Similar to a certain interview that got you guys in a twist.
He also talks about keeping Hughes long term and Quinn being excited about their young players lol
Its a video, from November, with Allvin saying muliple times they aren't rebuilding...finish him!
He named about 10 players lol not just Hughes...come on now. They went on and on about not rebuilding in November. Similar to a certain interview that got you guys in a twist.
He also talks about keeping Hughes long term and Quinn being excited about their young players lol
I don’t have sportsnet+ to watch it so I can’t really comment either way, but based on the logic in the quote you shared defeats itself IF they knew Hughes wasn’t there long term.
I don’t have sportsnet+ to watch it so I can’t really comment either way, but based on the logic in the quote you shared defeats itself IF they knew Hughes wasn’t there long term.
About 3:30 in he gets asked about rebuilding. There's also was reference to a comment Rutherford made where he said if they do have to trade Hughes they would have to start over so that's probably why he wasn't shy to use the word today.
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No one? You sure about that Mr Hutz, lawyer extraordinaire lol.
That is because until the Canucks said it (and used the wrong tense, rebuild they are in implies that they have done other moves that were rebuilding type moves and this is their first) it had not been said. The Rangers did not use the word.
Now a GM has said it for the first time that I can recall in a statement. But I hear you, you think trading a 12th overall pick for 28 year old dman, trading a 4th round pick for a 34 year old, all moves the Canucks made this year are rebuilding trades for the rebuild.
Think Vancouver did extremely well. Feels like Allvin did a good job of finding the sweet spot to actually pull the trigger ... sure, a S&T in the summer could have potentially landed a huge return too, but if Hughes then says "NJ or bust", all your leverage goes out the door. So kudos to the Canucks there, I think they were able to maximize the return and that's all you can hope for when you trade a franchise player.
Landing Buium as a key piece is huge. I do wonder why such a talent falls to 12 in the draft and then gets dealt midway through his rookie season, but on the other hand, you're not landing Hughes without paying a premium. Really nice cornerstone player on the blueline for them, him and Willander could turn into a nice pairing for them. Rossi also fills a huge need down the middle, even though it breaks my heart to see him in that jersey. His fate in Minnesota was sealed once he signed that contract, it was always going to be a decent trading chip and so here we are. Huge opportunity for him as 2C, but you do have to wonder about size and physicality when you run Pettersson-Rossi as your 1-2. We'll see how that works. Ohgren might benefit from a change of scenery ... he was down to 9 minutes a night in Minnesota, he wasn't going to succeed there. Still only 21, you never know. Decent gamble. The 1st will probably be 25th or later, but they desperately need an injection to their prospect pool ... Cootes, Willander, Lekkerimaki and Pettersson 2.0 are decent, but that's about it. They have basically nothing left from 3 of their last 6 drafts.
Huge risk for Minnesota, obviously ... but at some point, you have to shoot your shot and push the chips in. I get it. You have good goaltending, and offense run by Kaprizov and Boldy, and having Hughes-Faber as your top pairing is sexy af. If they can re-sign Hughes, then hats off. If not, they simply have to be smart in terms of asset management ... simply can't let him walk for nothing after giving up that package.
Bottom line, huge trades are fun! Let's have more of those, NHL GMs, pretty please.
It is crazy how with one trade Vancouver gets a 1st, gets a solid center going forward, gets a potential franchise defenseman, and is now almost a lock to pick in the top 3. Honestly, given the situation the trade is incredible for them if they will be rebuilding.
They might already be ahead of the Flames in their rebuild if they pick top 3. This of course depends on what we do with all our vets who we should try to trade but probably won't. It is just picking in the top 3 is a game changer.
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Think Vancouver did extremely well. Feels like Allvin did a good job of finding the sweet spot to actually pull the trigger ... sure, a S&T in the summer could have potentially landed a huge return too, but if Hughes then says "NJ or bust", all your leverage goes out the door. So kudos to the Canucks there, I think they were able to maximize the return and that's all you can hope for when you trade a franchise player.
Landing Buium as a key piece is huge. I do wonder why such a talent falls to 12 in the draft and then gets dealt midway through his rookie season, but on the other hand, you're not landing Hughes without paying a premium. Really nice cornerstone player on the blueline for them, him and Willander could turn into a nice pairing for them. Rossi also fills a huge need down the middle, even though it breaks my heart to see him in that jersey. His fate in Minnesota was sealed once he signed that contract, it was always going to be a decent trading chip and so here we are. Huge opportunity for him as 2C, but you do have to wonder about size and physicality when you run Pettersson-Rossi as your 1-2. We'll see how that works. Ohgren might benefit from a change of scenery ... he was down to 9 minutes a night in Minnesota, he wasn't going to succeed there. Still only 21, you never know. Decent gamble. The 1st will probably be 25th or later, but they desperately need an injection to their prospect pool ... Cootes, Willander, Lekkerimaki and Pettersson 2.0 are decent, but that's about it. They have basically nothing left from 3 of their last 6 drafts.
Huge risk for Minnesota, obviously ... but at some point, you have to shoot your shot and push the chips in. I get it. You have good goaltending, and offense run by Kaprizov and Boldy, and having Hughes-Faber as your top pairing is sexy af. If they can re-sign Hughes, then hats off. If not, they simply have to be smart in terms of asset management ... simply can't let him walk for nothing after giving up that package.
Bottom line, huge trades are fun! Let's have more of those, NHL GMs, pretty please.
Well if they can’t re-sign him, still can trade him in his last year to recoup some assets.
