Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Listening to 770 this morning again because I just love to listen to bat#### crazy takes and all the morning show hosts were saying, they still 110% believe PP will pass the leadership review and continue to be CPC leader.

How ####ing dumb are Conservatives?

If they do actually keep him on, these people are perhaps dumber than the MAGA folk down south.

Peter "It's all my fault" McKay was on CBC yesterday saying the same thing.

[evman150]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ore-defections

“I expect two more [floor crossings], at least,” one Conservative caucus member told National Post. “Poilievre will continue to die a death of 1,000 cuts, because I’ve never seen a guy who’s so unaware of the room he’s in, and I’ve never seen a guy who just refuses to stop doing stupid things.”

Pretty damning!

[Faust]

November 8 article

What Happens to the Conservative Party Without Pierre Poilievre? Canadians Weigh In on Potential Leadership Alternatives

https://abacusdata.ca/what-happens-t...-alternatives/

[White Out 403]

https://winnipeg.citynews.ca/2025/12...tions-housing/

By News Staff

Posted December 11, 2025 7:56 pm. Last Updated December 11, 2025 8:04 pm.
Indigenous leaders in Manitoba are calling it a major step forward after a federal court ruling confirmed Canada has a legal duty to provide adequate housing on First Nations communities.

The ruling affirms that Canada has an obligation to ensure adequate on-reserve housing. It stems from a class action brought forward by St. Theresa Point and Sandy Lake First Nation, where both have dealt with decades of chronic housing shortages.

Evidence presented showed one in four homes in St. Theresa Point are uninhabitable, and more than half in Sandy Lake require major repairs.

“Prime Minister this is your courts talking, so honour it,” said Chief Delores Kakegamic, Sandy Lake First Nation.

Manitoba Chiefs say this ruling confirms that safe housing is a Treaty and constitutional obligation, and that it validates a fight stretching back to the 1909 Adhesion to Treaty 5 — years of underfunding that left Nations without control over their housing systems.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

.... PP should lead the Reform Party for the next 20 years! at least that's what the Libs are hoping for.

I don't hope for that... at some point voters will opt for someone/anyone new (even if the option is terrible), when that happens I would prefer it not be someone incompetent.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Peter "It's all my fault" McKay was on CBC yesterday saying the same thing.

MacKay was saying present-day Conservatives are f-cking dumb, or that he 100% believes that PP will pass the review and continue to lead the CPC (and as a result that they're f-cking dumb)?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

MacKay was saying present-day Conservatives are f-cking dumb, or that he 100% believes that PP will pass the review and continue to lead the CPC (and as a result that they're f-cking dumb)?

He thinks Pierre will have no problem passing the leadership review. I think it would be a stretch of transitive properties to suggest that Peter also recognizes that makes them f-cking dumb. I do not believe he is that aware on this subject, or perhaps anything else.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by evman150

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ore-defections



Pretty damning!

A reminder that O'Toole was kicked out by 62% of the caucus vote for not being right enough and implementing a climate change policy, and Poilievre was voted in with 68% of the vote to move the party further to the right.

When everyone is angry at the incumbent, and you are yelling with the crowd at just how bad they are, it's easy to win as it looks like you are looking out for constituents.

When everyone is angry at your neighbour instead for threatening you, the incumbent is gone, and you are yelling at the new leader instead of your neighbour, you are completely out of touch and lost the plot.

[Firebot]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.7015747

Ah yes this is Carney's problem, not Poilievre's...

Poilievre: "You have to go to the Canadian people and have them vote for it."

They did and they voted you out (and you had to kick out an MP that won to get back in).

CPC caucus sees this and think, this is the way forward despite everything that's happened this year.

Meanwhile, there could be an even bigger exodus.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business...ing-the-floor/

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He thinks Pierre will have no problem passing the leadership review. I think it would be a stretch of transitive properties to suggest that Peter also recognizes that makes them f-cking dumb. I do not believe he is that aware on this subject, or perhaps anything else.

That's a pretty uncharitable position based on your sheer dislike of the Conservatives both past and present, which... fine, I get it -- but a position that I really don't think is backed up by anything outside of that dislike. MacKay was also the one clear-eyed enough to call out Andrew Scheer's anti-abortion views as an "albatross" around the party's neck that caused them to lose against the LPC. That clear-eyed view is also probably the reason he lost to O'Toole in the leadership race (as was the reason O'Toole was ousted after one attempt), because he isn't right-wing enough for the current party faithful.

I still think MacKay wins and becomes PM where O'Toole lost, but my DeLorean is in the shop and my crystal ball is at the gemstone polisher.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He thinks Pierre will have no problem passing the leadership review. I think it would be a stretch of transitive properties to suggest that Peter also recognizes that makes them f-cking dumb. I do not believe he is that aware on this subject, or perhaps anything else.

I don't know how anyone could think Pierre will lose his leadership review considering how the event is set up. Can only vote in person at an event in middle-middle Alberta during the grosses period of the year.


Even if Carney gets a majority before then, he still walks to a pass without sweating.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

That's a pretty uncharitable position based on your sheer dislike of the Conservatives both past and present, which... fine, I get it -- but a position that I really don't think is backed up by anything outside of that dislike. MacKay was also the one clear-eyed enough to call out Andrew Scheer's anti-abortion views as an "albatross" around the party's neck that caused them to lose against the LPC. That clear-eyed view is also probably the reason he lost to O'Toole in the leadership race (as was the reason O'Toole was ousted after one attempt), because he isn't right-wing enough for the current party faithful.

I still think MacKay wins and becomes PM where O'Toole lost, but my DeLorean is in the shop and my crystal ball is at the gemstone polisher.

He promised he wouldn't merge the PC's with the Reform party, or Aliance, or whatever name they tried to convince Canadians to vote for, and lied to Canadians and then let the Reform party take over the Conservatives. He's a feckless #### deserving of no charity.

[TorqueDog]

^lol I don't know what else I expected.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I don't know how anyone could think Pierre will lose his leadership review considering how the event is set up. Can only vote in person at an event in middle-middle Alberta during the grosses period of the year.

Hang on -- are you saying the CPC leadership review ... that is, a leadership review for a federal party ... has to happen in Armpit River, Alberta by virtue of the fact that the leader is the MP for that specific riding? Is that really how it has to work?

That's amazing. Those people would vote for a scarecrow wearing a blue shirt.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He promised he wouldn't merge the PC's with the Reform party, or Aliance, or whatever name they tried to convince Canadians to vote for, and lied to Canadians and then let the Reform party take over the Conservatives. He's a feckless #### deserving of no charity.

Ya, like the conservatives of Alberta... he heard the message from voters saying "do better" and took that to mean that they should merge with more extreme right-wing parties and try to force the win by having less options for people to vote for.

In both cases, I hope those parties get destroyed by that decision.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^lol I don't know what else I expected.
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What, that I'd have a valid reason for not respecting him? He's one of the reasons we are here in the first place. He lied to get leadership vote support to put him before anyone else and the party, and ultimately Canadians.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^lol I don't know what else I expected.Hang on -- are you saying the CPC leadership review ... that is, a leadership review for a federal party ... has to happen in Armpit River, Alberta by virtue of the fact that the leader is the MP for that specific riding? Is that really how it has to work?

That's amazing. Those people would vote for a scarecrow wearing a blue shirt.

Having the event there is fine, I guess. Like it's a place BUT saying voting has to happen in person is absurd for a federal party. They changed it for this specific review.

[Firebot]

PC and CA / Reform were going to merge no matter what as they would never form government in their iterations. They split heavily predominant conservative ridings like Oxford, talking 65% combined, and consistently gave these ridings to the Liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford...toral_district)

90.4% of the party's elected delegates supported the deal. The PC party was effectively a shell of its former self by 2003, it was considered the secondary conservative party in a country that is left of center and this was the only way forward.

And it worked. As a result the merger dropped the Liberals down to a minority, and got defeated next election leading to a decade of Harper. It made conservative parties relevant in Canada again.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Firebot

And it worked. As a result the merger dropped the Liberals down to a minority, and got defeated next election leading to a decade of Harper. It made conservative parties relevant in Canada again.

Short term gain for what is quickly becoming long term irrelevancy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

PC and CA / Reform were going to merge no matter what as they would never form government in their iterations. They split heavily predominant conservative ridings like Oxford, talking 65% combined, and consistently gave these ridings to the Liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford...toral_district)

90.4% of the party's elected delegates supported the deal. The PC party was effectively a shell of its former self by 2003 and this was the only way forward.

And it worked. As a result the merger dropped the Liberals down to a minority, and got defeated next election leading to a decade of Harper. It made conservative parties relevant in Canada again.

Silliness. First off, I don't just excuse lying because it led to an outcome, good or bad. He's a lying liar who deserves no respect. If his conviction was that it was required, campaign on that and be judged. Don't vow to protect something and then toss it in the trash wen you win. That's the move of a feckless ####.


Second, Preston deciding the Reform party needed to exist was the problem for Conservatives, not the PC's. If you want to blame anyone for vote splitting, he created it and the Reform perpetuated the problem. That in no way means the PC's needed to accede to them. "The only way forward" is an inaccurate conclusion. There are always many ways forward.


You conclude "it worked" but the reality is Canadians had Liberal fatigue. Sure, merging the vote helped as well. Obviously. But what is the result of that? A few Harper terms, and a party many former Conservatives find distasteful and that it doesn't represent them or their values. So Conservative Canadians had their political home hijacked. Is this what success looks like?

[TorqueDog]

What's destroying the CPC now is there is seemingly no appetite in the current CPC base for a 'Red Tory' approach, either in terms of a leader or policy... which is basically Carney's approach (although I guess 'blue Grit' is technically the term). But pretty broadly across the electorate, Canadians seem happy to have one.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What, that I'd have a valid reason for not respecting him? He's one of the reasons we are here in the first place. He lied to get leadership vote support to put him before anyone else and the party, and ultimately Canadians.

No, Fuzz, I don't care whether you respect him, read what I wrote again. My critique was of your claim that 'he is not aware on this subject, or perhaps anything else.' Since the Scheer era, MacKay has been one of the only senior Conservatives willing to say out loud what was dragging the party down. Your personal dislike is your business, I'm saying don't let it kneecap your objectivity when the guy actually shows some clarity about how broken the party has become, because it makes you look like you're blinded by it.