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Old 12-11-2025, 07:35 PM   #15601
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Never? I don't know.

It does require a number of unlikely factors to come together:
  • Ducks going from almost a decade in the basement to top of the division in the first 30 games of this season
  • Weak RD market with lots of interested teams, most of those teams have LD available but not extra Cs
  • Pending UFA willing to sign a contract, maybe??
  • Division rivals making a trade that could seriously influence the division for years to come

I do not think very many GMs would be able to pull the trigger.. but after trading Zegras, I think Verbeek would actually consider the trade in order to win playoff games this season.
I just want to point out how much good coaching truly matters. The Ducks are a prime example of what I am talking about.
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I'll be very upset if we do not trade Kadri. Opportunities like this only come around so often. You have a vet player almost 40 years old playing out of his mind, and you know the play will drop off soon.

It is also rumored he would be worth a ton on the market. For a rebuilding team, not trading him this off season would set the rebuild back possibly years. When you factor in the return we will get for players like Kadri and Coleman, and also that trading them helps the 1st round pick it is a no brainer.

Of the 3 players, if I had to keep one I would actually keep Andersson. He is the youngest, so at least you could make an argument for keeping him. The other 2 have got to go.
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Old 12-11-2025, 07:53 PM   #15603
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Good Christ. He turned 35 two months ago...
Just a recommendation, but drop the hyperbole and your points will come across much better.
Zayne Parekh is almost 25.
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:06 PM   #15605
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Personally I have no idea why you would keep Kadri. Unless the only offers are pure garbage but I can’t imagine they would be.

Makes absolutely no sense to keep any of Andersson, Coleman, or Kadri really.

I actually think this is really simple. I bet the Flames do too, and it’s all public process related stuff. You can’t come out and say what you’re doing, that would be idiotic.
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Awwwwweee go easy on him Rhett’s almost 12
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:25 PM   #15607
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Yeah if we don’t trade Kadri we are going to be kicking ourselves in the next few years. (Unless we miraculously make the playoffs)

Great player but I’m ready to capitalize and sell high and keep adding the youth.
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If Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are not traded by the TDL, I would dump Conroy in the same file as the wizard….useless
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:33 PM   #15609
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If Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are not traded by the TDL, I would dump Conroy in the same file as the wizard….useless
Andersson yes, but the other two have term left so no need to get carried away here. And this is coming from someone who wants them all dealt as soon as a good offer comes in.
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:35 PM   #15610
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:40 PM   #15611
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If Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are not traded by the TDL, I would dump Conroy in the same file as the wizard….useless
Seems like a level headed approach.
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Old 12-11-2025, 08:43 PM   #15612
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My odds are 95% probability Rasmus goes before the deadline
50% odds that Rasmus + 1 of the others go before the deadline
25% odds that all 3 go before the deadline.

If only Rasmus goes, I think there is high probability that one of the other two goes in the summer.

And then if Blake is still here to start next year - he is gone by next deadline.

Odds that all 3 go between now and next deadline: 75%
Those are smart odds.

I think the concern a lot of people have is that Kadri and Coleman take age-related steps backwards next year and you get much less for them. Is 2/3s of a lost season worth the risk of getting substantially less next year?

I am 50/50 on it. I still want to see good hockey this year and losing all three would really decrease the likelihood of enjoying the next 50 games.

But if moving them gets us more star power - to go along with the exciting prospects we already have, as a fan I could live with it.
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Old 12-11-2025, 09:01 PM   #15613
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Coleman screams deadline acquisition for me. This year or next. He’s not the typical type of player teams are targeting in the offseason so I’d say low probability that he’s moved if he lasts past the deadline.

Kadri is complicated no matter when you do it. Heading into his age 36 season isn’t the easiest sell if they decide to do it in the offseason. I’d wager his value will never be higher so would be inclined to say do what you can to sell him this year at the deadline or before.
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I'll be very upset if we do not trade Kadri. Opportunities like this only come around so often. You have a vet player almost 40 years old playing out of his mind, and you know the play will drop off soon.

It is also rumored he would be worth a ton on the market. For a rebuilding team, not trading him this off season would set the rebuild back possibly years. When you factor in the return we will get for players like Kadri and Coleman, and also that trading them helps the 1st round pick it is a no brainer.

Of the 3 players, if I had to keep one I would actually keep Andersson. He is the youngest, so at least you could make an argument for keeping him. The other 2 have got to go.
Haven't you been saying this since you made your account? Kadri is one of those few players where his play style translates well. He's a play driver, gritty, agitates, can score and pass. I don't think his play will drop off any time soon.
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Old 12-11-2025, 09:20 PM   #15615
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Redwings could really use Andersson. Too bad he got hit by the car there. Bad mojo for him probably

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Old 12-11-2025, 09:28 PM   #15616
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People tend to exaggerate how much the absence of veteran players impacts the growth of younger teammates. The fact of the matter is that it's nearly impossible to move all the veterans. Huberdeau will be on the team forever. Same goes for Weegar, Sharangovich, and Bahl. Guys like Wolf, Coronato, Frost, and Farabee will be veterans before you know it.

They shouldn't keep Kadri for veteran leadership reasons. The value of this, if any, is heavily outweighed by the assets that would be returned via trade.

And the Flames have plenty of prospects and draft picks. What they really need is multiple top picks. Elite talent is required for special teams and overtime in the modern NHL. Trading away players is the best way to accomplish this.
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Old 12-11-2025, 09:33 PM   #15617
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People tend to exaggerate how much the absence of veteran players impacts the growth of younger teammates.
I don’t know, do they? Do you have some evidence of that one way or another?

And is the only pre-requisite of veteran leadership just having been around a while? All veterans are created equal? Just about anyone can/does provide good leadership?
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If I want veterans around to show the young players how to be a good pro and give a consistent effort, Sharangovich is about the last guy I want to keep.


By the way, Lyle Richardson of Spector's Hockey pours cold water on the rumours connecting Tristan Jarry to the Oilers:

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SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Penguins continue to rebuild…er, sorry, retool their roster by transitioning younger players into the lineup. However, a chance at reaching the playoffs is a great way to keep your players motivated and your fans invested.
Someone needs to tell him that the Penguins are doing it all wrong by not selling their veterans and tanking the season on purpose.
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Most of our roster is filled with veterans. We do not need Kadri.
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Old 12-11-2025, 11:12 PM   #15620
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Most of our roster is filled with veterans. We do not need Kadri.
Actually we have one of the youngest teams in the NHL.
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