12-08-2025, 06:59 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Mathgod
Not those exact words directly. But it's been the general sentiment of people who push back against the idea of a rebuild, and it goes back a very long time.
I've been calling for a rebuild since 07. The way the team lost to the Ducks in 06 and Wings in 07, gave me the sense that this team didn't have the horses to win playoff series vs the better teams in the league. That team relied too much on Kipper and Iggy, and didn't have the right kind of supporting cast to win in the new post-lockout era.
Maybe you can understand my frustration when I see that this team still hasn't picked top 3 in its entire history?
Over the past 2 decades, my calls for a rebuild have been met with responses like rebuilds are for losers, rebuilds are a lotto ticket, picking high doesn't work because look at Edmonton and Buffalo, etc.
So no, no one has directly told me that rebuilds never work. But there sure as heck are people who want us to think exactly that.
Fast forward to 2025, I see a 2-9 start and think ok, finally we're going to get an elite player in the draft. But the team's recent heater has put that into serious doubt. Still too far back to make the playoffs but drifting away from top pick territory. It's a source of some frustration. Another 9th place finish in the west is not what I'm hoping for here.
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How many people are even pushing back against a re-build?
I see these things posted and I am constantly wondering where the posts are that I don't see.
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12-08-2025, 07:02 PM
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#62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
How many people are even pushing back against a re-build?
I see these things posted and I am constantly wondering where the posts are that I don't see.
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Go back and read the Mammoth PGT. Are you really not seeing the posts?
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12-08-2025, 07:02 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
Come on, you know exactly what I mean.
Leo Carlson, Gauthier, McTavish, Senneke were all drafted in the top 5. With 3 of them in the top 3. We could dream to have that many high picks. It is much harder to find these types of players in the mushy middle.
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Fair but the way Anaheim found them was spending 20% of their cap on the UFA market. TrentCrimmIndependent seems to think that is the model we should follow. You don’t think we should go out and sign UFA talent and follow the Anaheim rebuild blueprint. That is fair.
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12-08-2025, 07:03 PM
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#64
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
Go back and read the Mammoth PGT. Are you really not seeing the posts?
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You could just quote them if they are there.
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12-08-2025, 07:07 PM
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#65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
Go back and read the Mammoth PGT. Are you really not seeing the posts?
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No i seriously don't.
Provide the quotes because I don't see anyone saying the Flames shouldn't re-build.
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12-08-2025, 07:15 PM
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#66
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
Go back and read the Mammoth PGT. Are you really not seeing the posts?
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I just did. No one said “don’t rebuild”.
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12-08-2025, 07:19 PM
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#67
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I just did. No one said “don’t rebuild”.
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I am sure they are there, people would not just make up stuff to fit their own narrative.
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12-08-2025, 07:22 PM
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#68
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Jesus Christ Buffalo....how are we the favourites going into this?
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Probably a 2 game winning streak and at home vs a 2 game losing streak.
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12-08-2025, 07:24 PM
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#70
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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In fact, what happened was people set up this exact same straw man - that posters didn’t want to trade vets, that people didn’t want a rebuild.
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12-08-2025, 07:25 PM
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#71
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Which of those posts say "Don't re-build".
I see different points being made. But no one saying that. Maybe there is disagreement and debate over HOW they should re-build but that's different.
Similarly I guess you could say some people are arguing against a tanking strategy. But that's also different.
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12-08-2025, 07:27 PM
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#72
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
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LOL, the very first example:
The management team needs to be honest with this team though. Even IF they turn this around and even IF they find a way to challenge for a playoff spot by the end of the year, this team isn't going to contend for a cup . UFAs should still be traded and guys like Kadri and/or Coleman should be moved IF the packages are right.
I'll never cheer for losses and you can't expect that locker room to purposely try and lose. Once stuff like that happens this team is in trouble and really will be 5+ years away from being good. I think they got something cooking here. Some players are really starting to look like gamers and with the right moves this team could be very competitive in a couple seasons.
I understand the want for a high draft pick. I think part of the issue is this team is long overdue for some changes and it's driving some people absolutely batty. Just keep in mind this team can finish bottom 5 and not draft top 4, or it could finish bottom 10 and draft 1st overall. All of these things are out of our control so let's just enjoy the wins when we get them and enjoy that losses aren't heartbreaking in a season like this. As flames fans we have a win/win situation
Let the young players continue to develop into impactful players. If Wolf, Coronato, Zary, Parekh and Gridin are helping this team win a bunch at the end of the season, so be it. If Wolf studs into a superstar now and it costs you a top 3 pick i think you take that. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush and all.
Hopefully the team moves out some vets to make room for some young players, and then the season will play out how it plays out. I hope they get a top 4 pick, like really hope, but if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen. It's not worth complaining about for the next 6 months.
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12-08-2025, 07:30 PM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Which of those posts say "Don't re-build".
I see different points being made. But no one saying that. Maybe there is disagreement and debate over HOW they should re-build but that's different.
Similarly I guess you could say some people are arguing against a tanking strategy. But that's also different.
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Most of them are just saying there’s an overreaction to a win. That’s the chicken little reference. And they are saying it’s good the PLAYERS aren’t trying to lose because that is not a good strategy for success.
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12-08-2025, 07:33 PM
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#75
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That falls under the umbrella of people having different ideas of how to re-build, not that they are saying they should not re-build.
The Sabres post isn't a great one. I'll give you that.
But I think you are mis-characterizing the rest. You think it's impossible to re-build without a top pick. Others feel different. There should be room for both views.
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12-08-2025, 07:34 PM
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#76
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Mathgod
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Lmao you need to up your reading comprehension. At no point did I say this team doesn't need to rebuild.
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12-08-2025, 07:38 PM
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#77
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
That falls under the umbrella of people having different ideas of how to re-build, not that they are saying they should not re-build.
The Sabres post isn't a great one. I'll give you that.
But I think you are mis-characterizing the rest. You think it's impossible to re-build without a top pick. Others feel different. There should be room for both views.
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There are lots of ways to get those top picks too. The Habs traded away a 4 top picks to help their rebuild, the Ducks went and spent 20% of their cap space on the UFA market to get their top picks. Almost nobody has declared they are tanking and traded away every single player but outside of that option there are a lot of models to follow to get there.
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12-08-2025, 07:45 PM
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#78
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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100 level seats down to $50 bucks on resale. Not a hot draw tonight apparently.
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12-08-2025, 07:59 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Probably a 2 game winning streak and at home vs a 2 game losing streak.
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But we suck tho!! 
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12-08-2025, 08:00 PM
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#80
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First Line Centre
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Hope I am wrong, but think we win easily.
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