[PGT] Flames eat slow-cooked Mammoth

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Flames fans are allowed to cheer however they like to.

You guys gatekeeping on what's fan-like and what isn't is what's lame.

We've had 30+ years of having it that way. Wanting something different for one season that we happened to actually sit last place in for the first two months isn't an affront on fandom.

The intolerance and mockery of it seems like the behavior of fans who've gone stockholm syndrome for mediocrity.

You don't want something top-end in this organization, ever?

Reschny et al currently in the pipeline might be good, but they won't be what you get at the top of the draft.

Some of us would like great for once, not just good.

No one is "gatekeeping". You seem to want to post your opinions but dislike when anyone disagrees. You are doing exactly what you say otehrs are doing.

[Psytic]

This moronic fan base gets what it deserves. This is why we have less playoff success than even Buffalo. You get these cult like idiots happy that we hang onto all our aging assets on the way 82-86 points. Even a 10 year old can do the math and figure out we will come up short or be a first round out as usual. Do people not actually want a contender ? Are we not trying to win the cup?

One of these prime assets needs to go it’s just good business. Honestly Easton Cowan looks pretty good for the rebiggle I wouldn’t mind that. We are going to draft 6-10 most likely at this rate. There’s still some value there but we can’t be taking the safe two way type player. They need to absolutely hit these picks out of the park if we aren't finishing bottom 5.we can still make this work if we can draft in the top 10 but it’s much harder.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This moronic fan base gets what it deserves. This is why we have less playoff success than even Buffalo. You get these cult like idiots happy that we hang onto all our aging assets on the way 82-86 points. Even a 10 year old can do the math and figure out we will come up short or be a first round out as usual. Do people not actually want a contender ? Are we not trying to win the cup?

One of these prime assets needs to go it’s just good business. Honestly Easton Cowan looks pretty good for the rebiggle I wouldn’t mind that. We are going to draft 6-10 most likely at this rate. There’s still some value there but we can’t be taking the safe two way type player. They need to absolutely hit these picks out of the park if we aren't finishing bottom 5.we can still make this work if we can draft in the top 10 but it’s much harder.

No one is saying not to trade the aging assets. Why set up these straw men?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You guys gatekeeping on what's fan-like and what isn't is what's lame.

Like making a "Wall of Shame" after games?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The Islanders had a 3.5% chance of winning the lottery.
The Flames, a team that has never won a lottery, probably shouldn't rely on this kind of luck.

Drafting top 3 is absolutely something a team can just do. See every cup winning team other than the Blues.

Over an extended period of time you can do things to give yourself a higher probability of a top 3 pick
Harder to do in any one season though

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Psytic

You get these cult like idiots happy that we hang onto all our aging assets on the way 82-86 points. .

When you say things like this who are you talking about? Because I don't see anyone advocating to hang onto all our aging assets, or be happy with 82-86 points.
Who can you point to that is actually advocating for these things?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This moronic fan base gets what it deserves. This is why we have less playoff success than even Buffalo. You get these cult like idiots happy that we hang onto all our aging assets on the way 82-86 points. Even a 10 year old can do the math and figure out we will come up short or be a first round out as usual. Do people not actually want a contender ? Are we not trying to win the cup?

One of these prime assets needs to go it’s just good business. Honestly Easton Cowan looks pretty good for the rebiggle I wouldn’t mind that. We are going to draft 6-10 most likely at this rate. There’s still some value there but we can’t be taking the safe two way type player. They need to absolutely hit these picks out of the park if we aren't finishing bottom 5.we can still make this work if we can draft in the top 10 but it’s much harder.

I wouldn't call the fan base moronic, it is the same 10 or so posters who don't seem to understand what it will take to be a contender who I think you are referring to.

I think all the fans do want to win a cup though. It is fine if you don't want to cheer for losses, but just know that every win is hurting the teams future more. And don't try to gate keep and get upset when other posters want to get a top 3 pick instead of some meaningless December wins.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Over an extended period of time you can do things to give yourself a higher probability of a top 3 pick
Harder to do in any one season though

Things like turning over 78% of the team in 2 years, stockpiling draft picks, not signing UFA's, going from one of the oldest to one of the youngest teams in the league, injecting prospects into the lineup, paying to the salary floor instead of cap.

If only the Flames did any of the above....

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Groot

Things like turning over 78% of the team in 2 years, stockpiling draft picks, not signing UFA's, going from one of the oldest to one of the youngest teams in the league, injecting prospects into the lineup, paying to the salary floor instead of cap.

If only the Flames did any of the above....

your post is bang on. However this site has become so toxic, someone will start calling you names.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Groot

Things like turning over 78% of the team in 2 years, stockpiling draft picks, not signing UFA's, going from one of the oldest to one of the youngest teams in the league, injecting prospects into the lineup, paying to the salary floor instead of cap.

If only the Flames did any of the above....

Well this team did sign Jake Bean as an UFA and I have been advised that that is a clear attempt at trying to win at all costs.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Flames fans are allowed to cheer however they like to.

You guys gatekeeping on what's fan-like and what isn't is what's lame.

We've had 30+ years of having it that way. Wanting something different for one season that we happened to actually sit last place in for the first two months isn't an affront on fandom.

The intolerance and mockery of it seems like the behavior of fans who've gone stockholm syndrome for mediocrity.

You don't want something top-end in this organization, ever?

Reschny et al currently in the pipeline might be good, but they won't be what you get at the top of the draft.

Some of us would like great for once, not just good.

Of course I want something "top-end" in the organization, but we also have a franchise goalie and a potential franchise defenseman on the way. We have a GM that is embracing picks and stocking up the cupboards. Draft where we draft and let the cards fall. Hopefully, the Andersson and Coleman talks can become to ramp up after the way they've played lately. It would be nice to have them gone before the Olympic break, but I doubt that would happen.

[Dx54]

All these wins are completely hollow and empty. Wins at this point are a detriment to the future of this team. We are building towards absolutely nothing with these wins except moral victories, glazing the performances of Wolf, Sharongovich, etc like a freakin Krispy Kreme Donut. This is the type of mentality that will continue to keep us in perpetual mediocrity. Enjoy 12th overall.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Dx54

All these wins are completely hollow and empty. Wins at this point are a detriment to the future of this team. We are building towards absolutely nothing with these wins except moral victories, glazing the performances of Wolf, Sharongovich, etc like a freakin Krispy Kreme Donut. This is the type of mentality that will continue to keep us in perpetual mediocrity. Enjoy 12th overall.

And what does being a totally miserable prick on the internet accomplish anyway? Is Conroy going to read your posts and trade Andersson for whatever offer is on the table and Bench Wolf for playing too well?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I wouldn't call the fan base moronic, it is the same 10 or so posters who don't seem to understand what it will take to be a contender who I think you are referring to.

I think all the fans do want to win a cup though. It is fine if you don't want to cheer for losses, but just know that every win is hurting the teams future more. And don't try to gate keep and get upset when other posters want to get a top 3 pick instead of some meaningless December wins.

No one is doing this.

[ForeverFlameFan]

At this point I don't see how some cannot view this season as a win-win. Win, awesome. Lose, awesome. We're still at the bottom of the standings, and am almost certain the central division will take 5/8 playoff spots. We're not making it, and we should be losing more games once we trade Andersson, who has been our only consistent defender this season.

[Inferno]

I missed the game because I was in ER for 2 1/2 hours before giving up after the game was done. I kept track of it on my phone though while in pain. Came home and saw the Jets were taking a big dump against the Oilers so I switched it immediately.

I went back today and had to wait 7 1/2 hours. I heard from her mom the woman sitting beside me didn't get in until 4:30 a.m so she was there for like 14 hours and didn't leave until just before I got in today.

[5abi]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

your post is bang on. However this site has become so toxic, someone will start calling you names.

Honestly the toxicity on this site is a nothing burger, I’d say this is the most cordial internet space I’ve visited

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I wouldn't call the fan base moronic, it is the same 10 or so posters who don't seem to understand what it will take to be a contender who I think you are referring to.

I think all the fans do want to win a cup though. It is fine if you don't want to cheer for losses, but just know that every win is hurting the teams future more. And don't try to gate keep and get upset when other posters want to get a top 3 pick instead of some meaningless December wins.

And its not like fans on this side are heckling the players who are trying out there. I think most of us have accepted and acknowledge that the coaching staff and players are going to do their jobs to the best of their ability regardless of what may be best in the big picture.

Every one wants/prefers a championship outcome but some appear to be in denial over the fact that this team will not reach that caliber picking in the 10s & 20s. Or at least the chances of it are significantly reduced to where they'd have to get extremely fortunate. And they did get that fortune picking Gaudreau. But even JH was still a B-tier superstar and generally was bested when he went up against A-tier stars like McDavid and McKinnon.

And accumulating picks is great, but you're still picking players from a pool that at best will top out as good support pieces on a contender. Which means little without a catalyst to make the whole thing go - that Bedard or Celebrini.

The Blues are the only team in recent memory to win a cup without some contingent of top picks leading the way.

Banking on the "outlier" route where the odds are stacked against you was fun until it no longer was, for me at least. Eventually you're disillusioned when you're watching other teams bottom out, pick up a difference maker and then become relevant while you're trying to squeak in with a roster second hand parts from previous cup winning teams.

If the goaltending is too good to be the next buffalo then we have nothing to worry about.

But lets take advantage of our proximity to the top 3 while we're actually in that range. Its an opportunity that would be regrettable to squander with a hopeless run just to get into the playoff discussion for a few months, which would just be groundhog day all over again.

Hopefully the right offers come soon.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This moronic fan base gets what it deserves. This is why we have less playoff success than even Buffalo. You get these cult like idiots happy that we hang onto all our aging assets on the way 82-86 points. Even a 10 year old can do the math and figure out we will come up short or be a first round out as usual. Do people not actually want a contender ? Are we not trying to win the cup?

One of these prime assets needs to go it’s just good business. Honestly Easton Cowan looks pretty good for the rebiggle I wouldn’t mind that. We are going to draft 6-10 most likely at this rate. There’s still some value there but we can’t be taking the safe two way type player. They need to absolutely hit these picks out of the park if we aren't finishing bottom 5.we can still make this work if we can draft in the top 10 but it’s much harder.

History shows the Flames are on pace to get a top 5 pick, they would need to run a win pct similar to Dallas stars rest of way to get even out of top 10 pick. Its not happening, they dug themselves a big hole. Wolf would need to win vezina and that is after trading Andersson.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Groot

Things like turning over 78% of the team in 2 years, stockpiling draft picks, not signing UFA's, going from one of the oldest to one of the youngest teams in the league, injecting prospects into the lineup, paying to the salary floor instead of cap.

If only the Flames did any of the above....

Over the last 3 years, Calgary has gone from having the 20th oldest team, to the 22nd oldest team , to the 23rd oldest team, with the average age going from 27.87 to 27.50 to 27.36.

So, baby steps.

Turning over 78% of the team has not resulted in a much younger team yet.

I think the issues is their best players tend to be their best players.

Once Andersson, Coleman and Kadri are moved, those numbers will take a serious dive I expect. Assuming they are moved and replaced by rookies.