[News] Conroy, Maloney, Nonis and Pascall all extended 2 years

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

... why did the organization just not tell the truth? Seems like they care.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Fans are out for blood either way.

Other insiders have said the contracts have been done for a while, so I guess trust whoever makes you the most angry.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This feels like nothing burger to me.

Who cares?

You’re right 100%.

But, it definitely feels like they are lying, which is probably a bad move given the recent PR. This fanbase is too smart to be lied to. In the end nothing changes, but it feels kinda gross to me. Not a huge deal though, just unecessary.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

... why did the organization just not tell the truth? Seems like they care.

We are now living in a world where Eric Francis and Frank Seravelli are the purveyors of truth. What a time to be alive.

[Shazam]

Yeah I wouldn't trust Francis to tell me what day Christmas falls on.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I wonder how many times Buffalo Sabres fans have told themselves that over the years.

All of this fear around being Buffalo, but we already are Buffalo - and Conroy seems to be the one at the core of it digging us out of that misery.

We're one more Sean Monahan mis-handling (both in the trade, and in how we handled his health) away from it being undeniable in my eyes - but I do believe Conroy is the right guy, but I'm here all day for the open lambasting of the ownership/some of the other Sr. Managers including the president of hockey operations.

At times it feels like the organization feels they can manage the messaging around the team, when fans and the media world at large are well beyond that being possible in today's landscape. Transparency with fans, when it doesn't put them at a strategic disadvantage (trade negotiations etc.) should be a given...but it doesn't seem like it is here.

I personally don't care if they agree verbally in September but not sign contracts until November.

I think they do some odd stuff publically and don't seem all that aware of what the average fan thinks.

But they are making prudent asset management decisions, drafting well, and seem to have the franchise pointed in the right direction of the light at the end of the tunnel which is 95% of what I'm looking for.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It's a dumb, pointless lie from an organization that is having a bit of a tough time building goodwill within its own fanbase. I guess in the broadest sense it doesn't really matter, but at the same time it's the kind of thing that just gets under people's skin. And in another sense that matters a great deal. Makes the org come across as out of touch with reality.

I don’t think I’ve ever had less faith in this organization and I like to think I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt on many occasions.

The Maloney interviews were astonishing in their lack of coherency and fundamental understanding of where your organization is as it relates to the vast majority of the fan base. Read the room before you grab the mic. Profoundly stupid to get on the soap box and say on one hand that drafting at the top of the draft is a fantasy and within two mins state that you intend to follow the Dallas model while sitting 32nd in the league with a product that is, frankly, terrible to watch. Maloney described the team as aspiring to be a ‘tough out’. Wtf? The backlash has been loud clear and well deserved.

I’m also loosing faith with the coaching staff as well. 6-7 weeks ago Devin Cooley was unplayable and we were looking to add a backup. Last week he was ‘excellent’. Which was is the wind blowing today?

Why the organization waited to announce these extensions is also mystifying. When did they plan to announce it? Their rationale has been they didn’t because of a bad start. Did they think this team was capable of reclaiming their comfortable spot of 9th in the conference to announce? ‘The best time to announce this is when we’re three points out at the deadline and just traded our second round pick for (wait for it) another small left hand shot middle of the line up forward’ en route to missing the playoffs by 1-5 points. This smacks of a teenager trying to hide something from their parents.

To top it off I still find it galling that the majority owner has moved to Switzerland to avoid paying taxes while taking tax payer dollars to fund his billion dollar arena.

Not a good time to be a Flames fan, honestly. If this team somehow ends up picking 6-10th overall this upcoming draft…..man.

[Locke]

Come on...havent some of you been married or had kids?

You're acting like this is the first time you've been inexplicably lied to.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

Come on...havent some of you been married or had kids?

You're acting like this is the first time you've been inexplicably lied to.

Married?…..ooff.

Kids, i get.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Married?…..ooff.

Kids, i get.

Oh come on!

"Everything okay honey?"

- "I'm fine!!"

This. Is a lie.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh come on!

"Everything okay honey?"

- "I'm fine!!"

This. Is a lie.

I have been married for more than 12 years and I am shocked that there are couples who have lied to each other.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh come on!

"Everything okay honey?"

- "I'm fine!!"

This. Is a lie.

Ha, okay. Maybe not how I interpreted that but fair enough.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think I’ve ever had less faith in this organization and I like to think I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt on many occasions.

The Maloney interviews were astonishing in their lack of coherency and fundamental understanding of where your organization is as it relates to the vast majority of the fan base. Read the room before you grab the mic. Profoundly stupid to get on the soap box and say on one hand that drafting at the top of the draft is a fantasy and within two mins state that you intend to follow the Dallas model while sitting 32nd in the league with a product that is, frankly, terrible to watch. Maloney described the team as aspiring to be a ‘tough out’. Wtf? The backlash has been loud clear and well deserved.

I’m also loosing faith with the coaching staff as well. 6-7 weeks ago Devin Cooley was unplayable and we were looking to add a backup. Last week he was ‘excellent’. Which was is the wind blowing today?

Why the organization waited to announce these extensions is also mystifying. When did they plan to announce it? Their rationale has been they didn’t because of a bad start. Did they think this team was capable of reclaiming their comfortable spot of 9th in the conference to announce? ‘The best time to announce this is when we’re three points out at the deadline and just traded our second round pick for (wait for it) another small left hand shot middle of the line up forward’ en route to missing the playoffs by 1-5 points. This smacks of a teenager trying to hide something from their parents.

To top it off I still find it galling that the majority owner has moved to Switzerland to avoid paying taxes while taking tax payer dollars to fund his billion dollar arena.

Not a good time to be a Flames fan, honestly. If this team somehow ends up picking 6-10th overall this upcoming draft…..man.

This incoherent drivel.

Players go through phases…slumps and peaks. Picking on Cooley is weird. Both he AND Wolf have been both outstanding and awful. Thai is something to whine about?

FWIW, Edward’s is a resident of the UK, not Switzerland.

Yes, Flames effed up the PR. WHOOP DE DOO?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are evaluating the entire strategy
I am speaking about that one move
If they end up trading him for a first how can it be so awful?

A team has never paid a price that high to move a single year of a players contract especially one who was 28 and came off his fist real down season. It is a price no one has paid before or after

Kadri getting the flames a 26-28 1st in the back half of the draft when the team is in year 3 of a rebuild doesn’t help as much as the 16th pick in 25.

I guess it will be easier to make final judgements once Kadri is moved but he has also helped the flames pick land 16th in 2 of his 3 years here when they should already be nearing the completion of their top 10 picks.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A team has never paid a price that high to move a single year of a players contract especially one who was 28 and came off his fist real down season. It is a price no one has paid before or after

Kadri getting the flames a 26-28 1st in the back half of the draft when the team is in year 3 of a rebuild doesn’t help as much as the 16th pick in 25.

I guess it will be easier to make final judgements once Kadri is moved but he has also helped the flames pick land 16th in 2 of his 3 years here when they should already be nearing the completion of their top 10 picks.

Well presumably they would have kept Monahan in your scenario, maybe even signed him and then he would have been the one putting up 59 points in 23/24 and putting up over a PPG in 24/25 to help the Flames not get top 10 picks in 2 out of 3 years here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A team has never paid a price that high to move a single year of a players contract especially one who was 28 and came off his fist real down season. It is a price no one has paid before or after

Kadri getting the flames a 26-28 1st in the back half of the draft when the team is in year 3 of a rebuild doesn’t help as much as the 16th pick in 25.

I guess it will be easier to make final judgements once Kadri is moved but he has also helped the flames pick land 16th in 2 of his 3 years here when they should already be nearing the completion of their top 10 picks.

If the delta in value ends up being a difference of 1 to 2 years in terms of when the first round pick is made, that's very small.

Plus you add the yeas of good performance they got out of Kadri to the math. You seem to be arguing the deal is worse because he's been good and helping them win. I get it in the macro sense, but that's a pretty weird way to look at the value.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

This incoherent drivel.

Players go through phases…slumps and peaks. Picking on Cooley is weird. Both he AND Wolf have been both outstanding and awful. Thai is something to whine about?

FWIW, Edward’s is a resident of the UK, not Switzerland.

Yes, Flames effed up the PR. WHOOP DE DOO?

If you’re going to call something incoherent drivel, you should demonstrate an ability to comprehend what was said. Which, somehow, you’ve done an admirable job of not being able to do. Well done.

I’m not the one who made comment on Wolf or Cooley. That would be the Flames. It was widely acknowledged that they were looking for a backup towards the end of the preseason. It was also Huska who said Cooley was excellent prior to the game in Nashville earlier this week. How a player goes from being seen as replaceable to excellent in 7-8 weeks is bit of a tell.

There’s this too.

https://financialpost.com/commoditie...iz-switzerland

And this.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/n-murray-edwards/

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the delta in value ends up being a difference of 1 to 2 years in terms of when the first round pick is made, that's very small.

Plus you add the yeas of good performance they got out of Kadri to the math. You seem to be arguing the deal is worse because he's been good and helping them win. I get it in the macro sense, but that's a pretty weird way to look at the value.

Considering Kadri has never played a playoff game for Calgary and his addition was a move the org made in attempts to win the cup which is why they parted with a beloved player and first rounder to make it happen.

Nothing against Kadri he has been worth his contract but just not the best decision by the organization

I don’t understand on how looking at how this move has impacted the organization is weird?

[Calgary4LIfe]

What happens when you get caught lying and gaslighting in a relationship? Do you expect your partner to remain loyal by your side?

This is the issue that I am having with the Flames lately. The stupid thing is that these lies didn't need to happen. We don't need to hear that this season's standings so far are 'unexpected' and that the 'Flames are not rebuilding' and that these deals were signed long ago.

It is idiotic to expect your fans to be idiotic. We all understand that not everything can be discussed publicly. In those cases, just STFU instead of outright lying to your paying customers. You already milked the community for a lot of money with the new building, even though there has been ZERO success since '89, with an arguable exception in '04. You ask me to spend so much money hand over fist, you ask me to spend so much of my time watching this usually inferior product, but now you also feel the need to basically call me an idiot while doing so?


This isn't 'nothing'. Maybe in itself it would be, but this is just another lie on top of a lie because this organization assumes we have the memory of a goldfish, right? It is damn annoying, honestly disrespectful, no?


Do better Flames. Treat your ever shrinking fan-base better. If you can't tell the truth, say nothing at all. Stop lying and gaslighting please. I just might start to take things personally.





As for the Monahan trade - it was expensive, and I didn't like it, but it made sense at the time to go 'all in'. I don't agree with it, but I understood it. However, I also think the value there was dependent on two things:
1) How well the Flames did (it didn't go well - not only did the Flames not contend, they haven't even made the playoffs).
2) If Kadri gets traded, what is the difference in value?

Flames can still pull out a 'win' from the Monahan trade. They are obviously linked moves - Monahan would not have been traded unless the Flames needed the room to sign Kadri. One does not happen without the other.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

What happens when you get caught lying and gaslighting in a relationship? Do you expect your partner to remain loyal by your side?

This is the issue that I am having with the Flames lately. The stupid thing is that these lies didn't need to happen. We don't need to hear that this season's standings so far are 'unexpected' and that the 'Flames are not rebuilding' and that these deals were signed long ago.

It is idiotic to expect your fans to be idiotic. We all understand that not everything can be discussed publicly. In those cases, just STFU instead of outright lying to your paying customers. You already milked the community for a lot of money with the new building, even though there has been ZERO success since '89, with an arguable exception in '04. You ask me to spend so much money hand over fist, you ask me to spend so much of my time watching this usually inferior product, but now you also feel the need to basically call me an idiot while doing so?


This isn't 'nothing'. Maybe in itself it would be, but this is just another lie on top of a lie because this organization assumes we have the memory of a goldfish, right? It is damn annoying, honestly disrespectful, no?


Do better Flames. Treat your ever shrinking fan-base better. If you can't tell the truth, say nothing at all. Stop lying and gaslighting please. I just might start to take things personally.





As for the Monahan trade - it was expensive, and I didn't like it, but it made sense at the time to go 'all in'. I don't agree with it, but I understood it. However, I also think the value there was dependent on two things:
1) How well the Flames did (it didn't go well - not only did the Flames not contend, they haven't even made the playoffs).
2) If Kadri gets traded, what is the difference in value?

Flames can still pull out a 'win' from the Monahan trade. They are obviously linked moves - Monahan would not have been traded unless the Flames needed the room to sign Kadri. One does not happen without the other.

Very well said.

Flames fans have a right to be insulted.

[GioforPM]

I suspect the deal was done in principle at the beginning of the season and they just announced it now after getting the docs formally signed.

As people have said, there was no reason to lie abo0ut it. So why assume they are? because Francis said so? But at the same time he’s Edwards’ mouthpiece? That makes zero sense.