The more I listen to this people and read what they have to say, the more I think we should just end the Alberta experiment and write it off as a failure. Just tell the feds to dissolve the province and roll it into BC.
Between their 5.7M and our 5M we would have more population than Quebec...
My only concern would be that Alberta would drag BC down more than BC would lift Alberta up.
I took a look at that CEO's twitter, and he's clearly a Maple MAGA lunatic.
Thankfully these idiots represent only a small minority of Albertans. I really don't think the majority of the populace wants anything to do with this stupid bulls***, and I'm still convinced that any referendum on separation would fail spectacularly.
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The more I listen to this people and read what they have to say, the more I think we should just end the Alberta experiment and write it off as a failure. Just tell the feds to dissolve the province and roll it into BC.
Between their 5.7M and our 5M we would have more population than Quebec...
My only concern would be that Alberta would drag BC down more than BC would lift Alberta up.
Everything west of HWY 22 plus a carve out for Calgary joins British Columberta. Everything east becomes Saskaberta. Edmonton can come with us but the Oilers have to move to Saskatoon.
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“The CEO of Alberta's Bow Valley Credit Union has a "transition plan" to create an Alberta dollar if an independent vote is successful”
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This is so great. The guy who thinks that the global banking wis going to collapse is going to guide their economic policy? You had me when you used big words like quadpartite!
Interesting discussion regarding how the UCP is working to undermine the MOU deal. Short summary is they are giving out credits and flooding the credit market which drops the price of carbon credits to nothing, making them meaningless. The other part is carbon capture, with around 62% of it being born by taxpayers.
My only concern would be that Alberta would drag BC down more than BC would lift Alberta up.
Have you been in and around rural BC, like, the east side of the province? It's basically just rural Alberta with front license plates. There is all sorts of crazy in that place.
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Typical dumb take.
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Alberta public sector pensions had already received a Court of King’s Bench ruling that the province and Alberta Investment Management Co. could be held liable for losses if ongoing arbitration failed.
Finance Minister Nate Horner justified that specific lawsuit ban in the name of protecting taxpayers from covering those losses. Safeguarding taxpayers from costs also emerged this week as a key rationale for imposing a four-year deal on Alberta teachers rather than risk higher pay increases through an arbitrated settlement.
So if the government is happy enough to violate all sorts of rights and laws to protect taxpayers, why are we handing money over by the dump truck to coal companies? Why don't they just make a new law saying "#### off, coal companies"? As a taxpayer I'd really like to be protected from that.
I took a look at that CEO's twitter, and he's clearly a Maple MAGA lunatic.
Thankfully these idiots represent only a small minority of Albertans. I really don't think the majority of the populace wants anything to do with this stupid bulls***, and I'm still convinced that any referendum on separation would fail spectacularly.
I have no desire to test how stupid the majority of Albertans are, they have a knack for surprise in very depressing ways
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It’s been hard to keep track of how many legal challenges and active court proceedings the United Conservative government has tried to quash or pre-emptively block in the last six weeks, but let’s try to tally:
The notwithstanding clause to thwart separate constitutional challenges by the Canadian Medical Association (1) and 2SLGBTQ+ advocacy groups (2) against Alberta’s ban on some transgender youth health care.
Notwithstanding clause against those advocacy groups’ challenge against the school pronouns law (3).
Notwithstanding clause against any potential challenges against the ban on transgender women in women’s sports (4).
Notwithstanding clause against teachers’ potential challenge to the strike-ending and imposed contract (5).
Bill 12’s provision to block public sector pensions from suing over the Alberta wealth management fund’s#past trading losses#(6).
And then the measure in this week’s Bill 14 designed to discontinue the court hearing about the constitutionality of a citizen’s initiative petition for Alberta separation from Canada (7).
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Mr. Tanner was against pandemic restrictions, is openly separatist, and anti-trans. It’s been suggested that perhaps Neudorf isn’t RW enough for him but his current actions are indicative of an attempt to protect his seat and his vote. Reddit is resourceful.
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I understand that the recall petition was started by someone in Neudorf’s sphere so that it could block any legitimate recall petition.
Their plan is to let it die on the vine.  It sounds like the shady plan is working.
I think this could rise to the level of criminal fraud. If Neudorf’s office is involved in any way he should resign immediately.
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If they weren't successfully in government, this would be the saddest most pathetic collection of failures to ever come together in one group. They united something, but it sure wasn't intelligence and kindness driven by well considered policy. Just completely vacant of any sense of good, fair, honest behaviours. Deplorables, if you will.
The more I listen to this people and read what they have to say, the more I think we should just end the Alberta experiment and write it off as a failure. Just tell the feds to dissolve the province and roll it into BC.
Between their 5.7M and our 5M we would have more population than Quebec...
My only concern would be that Alberta would drag BC down more than BC would lift Alberta up.
We’re talking about a third of Albertans. The majority doesn’t have to cede the province to those morons.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
Have you been in and around rural BC, like, the east side of the province? It's basically just rural Alberta with front license plates. There is all sorts of crazy in that place.
Yes, that is exactly the point of what I said.
In the hypothetical situation, I would hope that the BC conservatives are not traitors that want to separate from Canada to become slaves to America. If they are traditional conservatives then they would probably hate the separatists as much as the rest of us, maybe even more so if they are patriotic conservatives.
Have you been in and around rural BC, like, the east side of the province? It's basically just rural Alberta with front license plates. There is all sorts of crazy in that place.
I think the crazy are in Vancouver and on the island, personally. Rural Albertans are crazy as well.
I think the crazy are in Vancouver and on the island, personally. Rural Albertans are crazy as well.
I think there's a bit more left-wing crazy on the island and in the Lower Mainland. But right-wing crazy is both on the island and in and around the Okanagan. My nutbar aunt and her dipsh-t boyfriend just got "saved" (ugh #1) and then decided to move back to Alberta (Lethbridge) from Kelowna because Alberta "feels safer" (ugh #2). They're exactly the sort of cheerleaders the UCP loves having around.
Danielle Smith doesn't like having checks and balances
Alberta's Smith says courts should not be gatekeepers on constitutional questions
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Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says those seeking an independence referendum should not have "gatekeepers," like the courts, standing in their way.
Smith spoke today on her radio call-in show for the first time after her government proposed legislation that would grind to a halt an ongoing court case on the issue.
She says giving Justice Minister Mickey Amery the power over referendum questions upholds democracy.
Smith says the courts "seem to want to approve the ones they like, and hold up the ones they don't like."
It comes a day after an Alberta Justice Colin Feasby said a separatist question would go against the Charter and the province's existing referendum law.
Feasby says in a decision Friday Smith's United Conservative government's proposed law to change the rules in the middle of the game is undemocratic.
Ya... like I just said, Smith and the UCP seem to be working overtime to blow away any guardrails to advancing their agenda.
I am honestly not sure that a majority of Albertans voting against separation will stop her from trying to enact it anyway. Or, she would just work to rig the referendum to ensure she gets the result that she wants.
There are too many ways for this to go wrong and the only way it can go right is if the UCP to be kicked out of government and the NDP form the next government and try to bring back some semblance of sanity.
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Jason, this piece is packed with legal inaccuracies, omissions, and political spin, so here’s a clear breakdown of where it goes wrong.
1. The Charter’s purpose is misrepresented.
The Charter protects individuals from government overreach. It is not a tool the government uses to “protect families.” It’s a restraint on government, not a shield for it.
2. Section 33 was never meant to be a routine political weapon.
The Notwithstanding Clause was designed as a rare, last-resort override—not a way to pre-emptively block court review before a judge even hears a case. Even Peter Lougheed warned against exactly what Alberta is doing now.
3. The “activist court invented the right to strike” narrative is false.
The Supreme Court didn’t invent anything. They affirmed that meaningful collective bargaining requires tools to bargain—something supported by decades of labour law and international standards.
And the right isn’t unlimited. Governments can still legislate essential services. Your framing is ideological, not factual.
4. Public-sector unions aren’t “monopolies.”
They’re the workforce. Calling them monopolies is political rhetoric, not a legal argument.
5. Section 7 doesn’t create near-absolute parental rights.
Children are rights-holders too. Courts have repeatedly ruled that outing vulnerable kids without consent puts them at risk. Section 7 protects the child, not the government’s ideology about parents.
6. Section 15 was not “stretched” to include gender identity.
This is well-established equality law and standard human-rights jurisprudence in Canada and internationally.
7. The sports argument is a political talking point.
Sports bodies—not courts—set eligibility rules. The Charter only steps in when the government forces discrimination.
8. Section 1 requires evidence, proportionality, and justification.
Your government provided none. That’s why courts intervened. Judicial review is not “activism.” It’s literally how democracy works.
9. The COVID complaint is revisionist.
Courts applied the same Oakes test they always use. Some challenges succeeded, some didn’t. That’s not activism—that’s the system functioning normally.
10. The “activist judges stopping bike lane removals” examples aren’t even Charter cases.
These are zoning, administrative law, and injunction decisions. They’re being misrepresented here to create outrage.
11. Parliamentary supremacy ended in 1982.
Canada operates under constitutional supremacy. The Notwithstanding Clause is a narrow exception—not a button that turns the clock back to 1867.
12. Bill 2 claims are fear-based.
Courts cannot impose “billions in new costs” because of a strike. That’s simply not how Canadian labour law works.
13. Bill 9 forces schools to out kids and removes rights from some of Alberta’s most vulnerable youth.
Every major medical association opposes forced outing. Courts intervened because the law is likely unconstitutional. That’s not interference—that’s protection.
Bottom line:
This article relies on distortions of law, selective history, and fear messaging.
The Notwithstanding Clause wasn’t designed to silence children, unions, or minorities—or to shield government from accountability.
It was meant for rare, extraordinary cases.
Your government is using it to avoid judicial review, restrict rights, and win political points—and that is exactly why the Charter exists: to protect Albertans from this kind of overreach.
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