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Old 12-04-2025, 05:15 PM   #28781
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I think it actually is a simple solution that's obvious to everyone, but no one wants to take the necessary steps to implement it:
Thank god someone else is going to say it, I've been thinking for a while now that we should start shipping off all the senior citizens in Alberta to live in quiet, quaint, lovely places like Prince Edward Island....

*reads rest of post, squints*

... huh, well, maybe I'm a bit before my time there.
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Old 12-04-2025, 05:17 PM   #28782
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Well you can take that approach, but that’s plain naivety. The entire concern was that the NDP would be detrimental financially, so they being the platform out with a tax increase the morning of the debate. That definitely cost them votes and gave Smith a ton of ammo for the debate.
And Comey had no impact on the first Cheeto election by announcing an investigation into "BUT HER EMAILS" two weeks before the election.

This was sarcasm. Actions have consequences.
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Old 12-04-2025, 05:21 PM   #28783
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Thank god someone else is going to say it, I've been thinking for a while now that we should start shipping off all the senior citizens in Alberta to live in quiet, quaint, lovely places like Prince Edward Island....

*reads rest of post, squints*

... huh, well, maybe I'm a bit before my time there.
I think that might be Plan B. Right now we've just been shipping them off voluntarily to Vancouver Island.

I like the idea of shipping them off to PEI. Harder for them to come back.
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Old 12-04-2025, 05:43 PM   #28784
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OK, since you bring it up, which province has made a solid honest attempt with a real long term plan based on high spending to fix the structural failings of the past and found that even that didn't make a difference? I'd like to see the analysis on how that went for them but I'm struggling to identify the province.
We all know your pickle only points one way, but cmon -10 provinces, multiple decades, a massive difference spending levels, all kinds of ideologies. What beyond all those realms are you hoping for?
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Old 12-04-2025, 05:46 PM   #28785
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In terms of our votes, they should always be for sale. Everyone should be able to be bought. It means that they actually have to think about and work for us.

Now all we need is to identify the Healthcare Mecca or Utopia so that we can learn from their model!
Oh, no. You misunderstand me.

I want to open a numbered company, that provides a service that I know nothing about. I will then run it without employees or overhead for a couple of months, at which point I will charge the government for R&D. Couple million will do. I will then fold the company.

It will never be looked into, or spoken of again.

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Old 12-04-2025, 07:42 PM   #28786
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If I'm reading this correctly (and I probably messed the reading up because legal documents make my eyes glaze over), they now have to refer the recalls to a Minister to confirm they are legitimate. That's a heavy handed way to kill off any petitions you don't like.
Not the recalls (yet) but the petitions would have to go through Mickey Amery. Which is what authoritarianism looks like: "You get to have a voice but only when I say so".

Thankfully his recall has moved from Targeted to Submitted. Hopefully it is a real person submitting his paperwork and not one of his friends....
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Old 12-04-2025, 08:42 PM   #28787
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Which is why you don’t understand that the health care capacity crisis is systemic across Canada. It’s structural. Wait times in Alberta didn’t improve under the NDP.
Actually they did improve for the first two years, but rose near the end.

Total wait time from GP to specialist to treatment (courtesy Fraser Institute annual 'Waiting your turn' study - compared to 2014 the next five years were (each compared to 2014 ie. the last full year of PC gov't): -17% -10% +3% +2% +10%

Compared to 2018 in the same way (starting in 2021 since 2020 is an outlier year): +23% +28% +29% +47%

Now of course the way I'm presenting this isn't fully ingenuous, but #### it, apparently we don't get points for showing our work.
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The bill wherin the UCP attempts to thread the needle of allowing the things they want petitions to apply to and how they happen, but also block the stuff they hate, through presumably neutral sounding legislation. Also, the hilarious section at the end where they desperately try to find ways of preventing another Conservative party from ever being named so in Alberta(page 43). It's hilariously pathetic.


You don't actually need to read this monstrosity, just scroll through it to see the extent of the "needed" changes and the absolute dogs breakfast of edits additions, removals...


This is what desperation by the incompetent looks like.


https://docs.assembly.ab.ca/LADDAR_f...3_bill-014.pdf
I look forward to see what the Progressive Credit (PC) Party of Alberta comes up with in the next election..

Also does this affect municipal politics with the Calgary Party and the Better Calgary Party? Or after the lacklustre performance did they just kind of forget that municipal parties were a thing they allowed?
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I look forward to see what the Progressive Credit (PC) Party of Alberta comes up with in the next election..

Also does this affect municipal politics with the Calgary Party and the Better Calgary Party? Or after the lacklustre performance did they just kind of forget that municipal parties were a thing they allowed?
You didn't hear? This rule is only forward looking. They only want to make the rule to stop any party looking to use an overlapping name.. in the future. They didn't care when that other Wildrose party popped up but the notion of another Progressive Conservative party rising from the ashes has them terrified.

Watch the video to the end, Rakhi's haymaker to the UCP is worth it.


LOL protecting goodwill. What a scared little politician.
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Actually they did improve for the first two years, but rose near the end.

Total wait time from GP to specialist to treatment (courtesy Fraser Institute annual 'Waiting your turn' study - compared to 2014 the next five years were (each compared to 2014 ie. the last full year of PC gov't): -17% -10% +3% +2% +10%

Compared to 2018 in the same way (starting in 2021 since 2020 is an outlier year): +23% +28% +29% +47%

Now of course the way I'm presenting this isn't fully ingenuous, but #### it, apparently we don't get points for showing our work.
And wait times for some surgeries went up, while some went down.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5081441/a...ait-times-ndp/

Wait times in ER did not improve.

It was a mixed bag. Which is what you’d expect - provincial governments can tweak things around the margins. But we aren’t going to see any substantial and enduring improvements to health care accessibility without systemic reform.
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Old 12-05-2025, 07:42 AM   #28791
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Does that mean the promise of fixing healthcare in 90 days was a lie or a failure?


And we are going through systematic reform, just not in a way that will fix anything. Breaking apart the system so they can sell public organizations and buildings to private companies so they can make a profit is not going to improve outcomes, but it's going to take at least 5 more years of failures before that become fully evident. And then what? We have to buy them back? Probably settle some lawsuits in the process? Brilliant stuff. We've seen how good the UCP are at these things.
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It appears that they aren't anywhere close to their previous spending forecasts as well. This is from 2023.





https://www.gensqueeze.ca/analysis_2023_alberta_budget



https://www.alberta.ca/expense


So they are about $4 billion short on health spending for 25/26 from their 2023 forecast. Why is that?
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Old 12-05-2025, 09:05 AM   #28793
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Does that mean the promise of fixing healthcare in 90 days was a lie or a failure?


And we are going through systematic reform, just not in a way that will fix anything. Breaking apart the system so they can sell public organizations and buildings to private companies so they can make a profit is not going to improve outcomes, but it's going to take at least 5 more years of failures before that become fully evident. And then what? We have to buy them back? Probably settle some lawsuits in the process? Brilliant stuff. We've seen how good the UCP are at these things.
It is the gift that keeps on giving. When (if, being Alberta) they get voted out for this, any efforts and costs to fix their mess will be held against the new government doing the fixing.

And their base, and a large number of "always blue sign no matter what" Albertans will believe them.

And the beneficiaries of the privatization win either way, and probably both ways. A bunch o' cash up front, and/or a bunch later when it is shown that the contracts were actually more costly to taxpayers, and the new government cancels them.
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Peaceful Protest - Grassy Mountain Coal Mine

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I’m going - come out Lethbridge folks and Southern Albertans. Could be a huge embarrassment for Northback.

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Old 12-05-2025, 09:26 AM   #28795
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Also, the hilarious section at the end where they desperately try to find ways of preventing another Conservative party from ever being named so in Alberta(page 43).
Also super unconstitutional. It's a pretty clear violation of section 2B of the charter and maybe Section 2D & Section 3. I imagine this hits the courts for an injunction (maybe several parts of it) the second that it's proclaimed.

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You didn't hear? This rule is only forward looking. They only want to make the rule to stop any party looking to use an overlapping name.. in the future. They didn't care when that other Wildrose party popped up but the notion of another Progressive Conservative party rising from the ashes has them terrified.

Watch the video to the end, Rakhi's haymaker to the UCP is worth it.


LOL protecting goodwill. What a scared little politician.
What does "good will" actually mean?

Protecting the UCP's good name that they've established for ####ing over teachers and our education system, the trans community, healthcare, woman's rights and young people?
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Rakhi should be NDP leader - Nenshi carries too much Mayor of Calgary baggage.

The NDP must carry Calgary.
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This feels like they don't know about the existence of trademark law. They could take the other party to court, but we already know they don't like leaving things to the justice system when they can legislate it. Will they use the NWC on this one, too? Bunch of petty thugs.
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Also super unconstitutional. It's a pretty clear violation of section 2B of the charter and maybe Section 2D & Section 3. I imagine this hits the courts for an injunction (maybe several parts of it) the second that it's proclaimed.

They arent going to worry about constitutional, they can just notwithstanding it
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Preventing another party from calling themselves "conservative" all guarantees the UCP will win the next election. I'm sorry but I have absolutely zero confidence that rural Albertans and people in SE Calgary are smart enough vote for their own interests if the sign isn't blue. Let's hope this gets stopped in the courts immediately but I have very little faith
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