12-01-2025, 10:03 AM
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#14481
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First Line Centre
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A 2026 1st-round draft pick is unlikely to be acquired for any of our current players. Trades involving Andersson and Kadri may yield a 2027 1st-rounder, but for me, the overall return for all deals is expected to be underwhelming.
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12-01-2025, 10:06 AM
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#14482
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All you really need to do is look at what Conroy has received in trades to this point. Only one of them could be considered a home run (Vancouver - Lindholm) with the others being fair to middling returns I'd say.
Also ignore any media that says they "should" get a haul for someone. Andersson was supposed to get that. he nearly went for a 3rd pairing D and a late 1st.
All MO obviously.
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12-01-2025, 10:19 AM
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#14483
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Toonage
All you really need to do is look at what Conroy has received in trades to this point. Only one of them could be considered a home run (Vancouver - Lindholm) with the others being fair to middling returns I'd say.
Also ignore any media that says they "should" get a haul for someone. Andersson was supposed to get that. he nearly went for a 3rd pairing D and a late 1st.
All MO obviously.
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Bahl and Reschny for Markstrom is tracking to go down as a homerun as well IMO. The Hanifin trade probably ends up fair depending on how the 2026 1st pans out.
Either way this season will depend on the market, if it ends up a sellers market I’m confident in Conroy to get a great return. This season is also the first that will include a playoff salary cap and we just don’t know how that will affect the market but I can see Andersson being a premium asset as he will be much easier to fit into a playoff cap than other players of his calibre
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12-01-2025, 10:20 AM
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#14484
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
All you really need to do is look at what Conroy has received in trades to this point. Only one of them could be considered a home run (Vancouver - Lindholm) with the others being fair to middling returns I'd say.
Also ignore any media that says they "should" get a haul for someone. Andersson was supposed to get that. he nearly went for a 3rd pairing D and a late 1st.
All MO obviously.
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Markstrom was a huge home-run.
Mangiapane was a very good return, especially with hindsight. I expected him to really bounce-back, but he never has, so getting an 2nd for him while also removing his entire cap hit in a period where teams were tight to the cap was a huge home-run too.
Hanifin's deal isn't quite known yet - let's see where that ends up. An unprotected 1st is a big deal, though I don't think at this point it will amount to anything crazy. Really good draft, however.
Under the circumstances, I find very little to complain about when it comes to these deals. That's a lot of players that he had to move in one season. I still think it was a masterclass, especially given it was his first year on the job.
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12-01-2025, 10:24 AM
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#14485
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Franchise Player
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The Hanifin return wasn’t great, but it was largely because he pretty much skewered any chances of building a market around him, by making it know that it was only Vegas where he was really interested in re-signing.
I also think the return for Tanev wasn't awesome. That's one I don't understand. In terms of acquiring someone who could really give a team a chance on going on a deep run, Tanev would have been top of my list. I think he's really under-rated.
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12-01-2025, 10:28 AM
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#14486
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The Hanifin return wasn’t great, but it was largely because he pretty much skewered any chances of building a market around him, by making it know that it was only Vegas where he was really interested in re-signing.
I also think the return for Tanev wasn't awesome. That's one I don't understand. In terms of acquiring someone who could really give a team a chance on going on a deep run, Tanev would have been top of my list. I think he's really under-rated.
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I agree. I think Tanev was the only trade Connie did that was underwhelming. Given his pedigree, I expected a late first for him. Maybe his injury history brought it down, who knows.
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12-01-2025, 10:45 AM
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#14487
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The Hanifin return wasn’t great, but it was largely because he pretty much skewered any chances of building a market around him, by making it know that it was only Vegas where he was really interested in re-signing.
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Wasn't it Tampa that he was only interested in signing with? McCrimmon still made the deal because he figured he could convince Hanifin to stay in Vegas.
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12-01-2025, 10:46 AM
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#14488
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by getbak
Wasn't it Tampa that he was only interested in signing with? McCrimmon still made the deal because he figured he could convince Hanifin to stay in Vegas.
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Could be that I'm mixed up, but from what I've heard he had a longer list, and as things progressed it became a lot more narrow
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12-01-2025, 10:53 AM
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#14489
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Franchise Player
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Tanev I think is a weird one because he kind of let the player call his shot on where he wanted to go. If Controy was a mercenary, he could have shipped him to Edmonton for the 2025 first, but we would have had to take back Cody Ceci with term.
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12-01-2025, 11:01 AM
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#14490
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by stemit14
I agree though that my trade proposals for Andersson are likely too high returns if he is just a rental.
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I think the return for Andersson should be higher than "just a rental" because you are unable to put a condition around extending the player.
Whichever team acquires Andersson for the rest of the season also acquires exclusive negotiation time with him. I expect that Conroy would set his value for an Andersson trade as if an extension were to happen and then it would be up to the other GM to not fumble the negotiations in order to get their value back.
At the very least, Conroy should put value on the ability for the acquiring team to trade Andersson's rights in June to a team that wants to extend him before July 1.
I still think that one of the Red Wings or Mammoth will blink first as they continue to sit just outside of the playoffs.
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12-01-2025, 11:02 AM
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#14491
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Robbob
Tanev I think is a weird one because he kind of let the player call his shot on where he wanted to go. If Controy was a mercenary, he could have shipped him to Edmonton for the 2025 first, but we would have had to take back Cody Ceci with term.
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I'm usually all for being a mercenary, but Tanev is a guy who could've put the Oilers over the top. I'll take that downgrade.
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12-01-2025, 11:09 AM
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#14492
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by HitterD
Bahl and Reschny for Markstrom is tracking to go down as a homerun as well IMO. The Hanifin trade probably ends up fair depending on how the 2026 1st pans out.
Either way this season will depend on the market, if it ends up a sellers market I’m confident in Conroy to get a great return. This season is also the first that will include a playoff salary cap and we just don’t know how that will affect the market but I can see Andersson being a premium asset as he will be much easier to fit into a playoff cap than other players of his calibre
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What would the power rankings for Conroy deals be?
1. Markstrom
2. Lindholm
3. Hanifin (unknown, but deep draft)
4. Mangiapane
5. Tanev
6. Toffoli
7. Zadorov
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12-01-2025, 11:11 AM
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#14493
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Wolven
I think the return for Andersson should be higher than "just a rental" because you are unable to put a condition around extending the player.
Whichever team acquires Andersson for the rest of the season also acquires exclusive negotiation time with him. I expect that Conroy would set his value for an Andersson trade as if an extension were to happen and then it would be up to the other GM to not fumble the negotiations in order to get their value back.
At the very least, Conroy should put value on the ability for the acquiring team to trade Andersson's rights in June to a team that wants to extend him before July 1.
I still think that one of the Red Wings or Mammoth will blink first as they continue to sit just outside of the playoffs.
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And you'd absolutely have subjective hate for the player to not see a guy making an impact pretty much every night.
Coming off the broken foot season he's added value.
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12-01-2025, 11:16 AM
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#14494
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
What would the power rankings for Conroy deals be?
1. Markstrom
2. Lindholm
3. Hanifin (unknown, but deep draft)
4. Mangiapane
5. Tanev
6. Toffoli
7. Zadorov
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Getting a 2nd for Mangiapane was pretty strong, I'd move that up maybe.
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12-01-2025, 11:20 AM
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#14495
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HitterD
Bahl and Reschny for Markstrom is tracking to go down as a homerun as well IMO. The Hanifin trade probably ends up fair depending on how the 2026 1st pans out.
Either way this season will depend on the market, if it ends up a sellers market I’m confident in Conroy to get a great return. This season is also the first that will include a playoff salary cap and we just don’t know how that will affect the market but I can see Andersson being a premium asset as he will be much easier to fit into a playoff cap than other players of his calibre
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in addition, I think moving Markstrom itself was beneficial to the team
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12-01-2025, 11:25 AM
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#14496
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The Hanifin return wasn’t great, but it was largely because he pretty much skewered any chances of building a market around him, by making it know that it was only Vegas where he was really interested in re-signing.
I also think the return for Tanev wasn't awesome. That's one I don't understand. In terms of acquiring someone who could really give a team a chance on going on a deep run, Tanev would have been top of my list. I think he's really under-rated.
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
I agree. I think Tanev was the only trade Connie did that was underwhelming. Given his pedigree, I expected a late first for him. Maybe his injury history brought it down, who knows.
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I love Tanev but he was a 33 year old rental defensive defenceman, and a 4D on a good team like Dallas that had Heiskenan, Harley and Lindell.
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12-01-2025, 11:26 AM
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#14497
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
I agree. I think Tanev was the only trade Connie did that was underwhelming. Given his pedigree, I expected a late first for him. Maybe his injury history brought it down, who knows.
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I think injury history was a big part of it, the same reason why we all cringed leading up to the TDL every time he took a hit. Conroy probably could have waiting a week to see if he could get more, but I can see why he didn't.
Same thing with Zadorov. Not injury related, but I think Conroy took less in order to get the trade done sooner. There was too much noise around him, so he wanted to get it done sooner but sacrificed potential return by not waiting until there were more buyers ready.
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12-01-2025, 11:37 AM
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#14498
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Struck a nerve I guess.
All I’m saying is there’s a chance, probably a decent one, Potter isn’t a C at the NHL level. It’s not that unusual for a kid to be drafted as a C and gets moved to the wing. Zary is a good example of this.
It’s great we drafted 3 C’s at last years draft, the Flames needs that but, at this point in time, I think it would be pretty presumptuous for the Flames to write these guys down in sharpie as the next C’s on the team.
I think the C position is still one the Flames need to build. The ‘depth’ you alluded to earlier is still pretty thin in my opinion.
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4, actually. You're sleeping on dark horse Ruskie, Yan Matveiko.
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12-01-2025, 11:52 AM
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#14499
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
(Verhoeff) Has the best offensive numbers of any draft eligible NCAA defenceman in 40 years.
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Verhoeff: 10 points in 14 games (0.71 ppg)
Buium: 50 points in 42 games (1.19 ppg)
Levshunov: 35 points in 38 games (0.92 ppg)
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12-01-2025, 11:54 AM
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#14500
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Verhoeff's playstyle is strange too. I still don't like it. Not sure why we are being force fed fake stats about his production levels.
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