Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Duruss

Yet another article about how ADAP will fail. This one has an economist point out that the government lies about jobs.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/artic...aish-overhaul/

And from the CBC, this one feature Nixon ly8ng about how is actually spreading disinformation.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...fits-9.6993934

####ing ghouls. Did they talk to any experts when they crafted this? No, of course not. Nixon knows best because.


The UCP punches can't help but punch down, because beating up the vulnerable reinforces their position that they are the ones running the show. #### them, and #### their supporters.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's interesting you ignore the reality that the reason the UCP membership is doing this is because they are anti-immigrant racists, and we know that is the reason because of how they behave and speak and call in to radio shows and get "that's interesting, I'll look into that" approval from the premier. It's one thing to have a rational discussion about democracy, it's another to do it because you are xenophobic wiffle.

Funny stuff, UCP wants citizens part of their membership because they are racist but it is for the betterment of democracy if the left does it.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Funny stuff, UCP wants citizens part of their membership because they are racist but it is for the betterment of democracy if the left does it.

I mean the proof is in the pudding isn't it?

Not sure what planet you live on, but most conservatives demonstrate time and time again that if it doesn't affect them, they either don't care and/or support it's removal from society under the guise of some ambiguous moral/religious standard.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Funny stuff, UCP wants citizens part of their membership because they are racist but it is for the betterment of democracy if the left does it.

The frustrating part about people is just how willing they are to distill any thought more complicated than "blue good" to a black and white interpretation. I rightly pointed out that the UCP and it members regularily espouse anti-immigrant sentiments(and there is no shortage of evidence, so don't ask me for proof if you are too incompetent to look yourself) and that that is driving their desire for this policy.


It's like saying both countries support arresting criminals, except that one country is Canada and the other is 2025 Trump America.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Funny stuff, UCP wants citizens part of their membership because they are racist but it is for the betterment of democracy if the left does it.

Only if you ignore most of what I said.

The goal of the UCP is to restrict access to the political parties and even to voting because they want to have an active an vocal minority dominate the party and influence the elections.

On the "left", I am saying I would want to put systems of validation in place to confirm identities of people, increase accessibility to the parties through virtual systems, and reduce chances that China and India are influencing our elections - especially as CSIS is reporting that they are actively trying to influence our elections.

Nothing about those two positions are the same.

[Harry Lime]

With the momentary Twitter exposing of various accounts nationalities, I wonder when it becomes the public interest to legislate that this type of information must be transparent. One of the easiest and most effective ways to get a handle on foreign incursion, would require the cooperation of companies like Twitter, meta and apple.

[Harry Lime]

Also, on the 'conservatives being anti immigrant ' file, there is a difference between disliking immigrants and disliking immigration policy. I've thought that immigration policy has been deeply flawed in execution, since Harper started ramping it up.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The frustrating part about people is just how willing they are to distill any thought more complicated than "blue good" to a black and white interpretation. I rightly pointed out that the UCP and it members regularily espouse anti-immigrant sentiments(and there is no shortage of evidence, so don't ask me for proof if you are too incompetent to look yourself) and that that is driving their desire for this policy.


It's like saying both countries support arresting criminals, except that one country is Canada and the other is 2025 Trump America.

Same goes for "UCP is no good" mentality right. Many folks are so anti-UCP that they can't look past their hate and everything becomes driven by nefarious motives like racism or other forms of bigotry. Sure, there is a segment of the UCP that is anti-immigrant but at the same, as pointed out by Wolven, it probably makes sense for parties to be more active in who can and can't join their parties and vote on the direction of our parties. Wanting people who can't vote in our elections not deciding on party policy or leadership doesn't have to be racist.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Same goes for "UCP is no good" mentality right. Many folks are so anti-UCP that they can't look past their hate and everything becomes driven by nefarious motives like racism or other forms of bigotry. Sure, there is a segment of the UCP that is anti-immigrant but at the same, as pointed out by Wolven, it probably makes sense for parties to be more active in who can and can't join their parties and vote on the direction of our parties. Wanting people who can't vote in our elections not deciding on party policy or leadership doesn't have to be racist.

Sure, but only if you are too myopic/stupid to look at the entire picture. The UCP and it's supporters are scum when you look at the enitery of what they say and do.

Just look at the attacks on the disabled, combined with anti-immigrant rhetoric, plus fiscal corruption, plus anti-trans legislation, anti- workers rights legislation, book bans, anti- vax, anti- Healthcare, constant nonconsultation with experts, pro-corruption legislation.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Same goes for "UCP is no good" mentality right. Many folks are so anti-UCP that they can't look past their hate and everything becomes driven by nefarious motives like racism or other forms of bigotry. Sure, there is a segment of the UCP that is anti-immigrant but at the same, as pointed out by Wolven, it probably makes sense for parties to be more active in who can and can't join their parties and vote on the direction of our parties. Wanting people who can't vote in our elections not deciding on party policy or leadership doesn't have to be racist.

You can put me in this category. They’ve done so many deplorable things, and enacted hateful and ignorant policies time and time again. I have no issue in questioning their motives for everything they bring forward now, and I feel no shame in that.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Same goes for "UCP is no good" mentality right. Many folks are so anti-UCP that they can't look past their hate and everything becomes driven by nefarious motives like racism or other forms of bigotry. Sure, there is a segment of the UCP that is anti-immigrant but at the same, as pointed out by Wolven, it probably makes sense for parties to be more active in who can and can't join their parties and vote on the direction of our parties. Wanting people who can't vote in our elections not deciding on party policy or leadership doesn't have to be racist.

The UCP was supposed to be a big tent party, but the leadership is almost entirely Wildrose, who are Libertarian. I've always had a pretty strong dislike of libertarianism, I think that it caters nearly exclusively to the upper class, and belief in trickle down economics.

That the UCP expanded their big tent to include separatists and fascists, just caused the conservatives in the party to be even more sidelined.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Duruss

Sure, but only if you are too myopic/stupid to look at the entire picture. The UCP and it's supporters are scum when you look at the enitery of what they say and do.

Just look at the attacks on the disabled, combined with anti-immigrant rhetoric, plus fiscal corruption, plus anti-trans legislation, anti- workers rights legislation, book bans, anti- vax, anti- Healthcare, constant nonconsultation with experts, pro-corruption legislation.

Tried and true way to build a religion.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Also, on the 'conservatives being anti immigrant ' file, there is a difference between disliking immigrants and disliking immigration policy. I've thought that immigration policy has been deeply flawed in execution, since Harper started ramping it up.

Sure there is, but if you listen to them, how they talk, how they spread misinformation, it's kinda clear they are anti-immigrant. Which should be not surprise, since their movement is modelled on MAGA.


I think at this point if you aren't questioning their motives, you are being naive. There is enough evidence to show their motives are not just against immigration policy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure there is, but if you listen to them, how they talk, how they spread misinformation, it's kinda clear they are anti-immigrant. Which should be not surprise, since their movement is modelled on MAGA.


I think at this point if you aren't questioning their motives, you are being naive. There is enough evidence to show their motives are not just against immigration policy.

Most semi-intelligent or even just honest people can look at two similar policies and feel totally different about them based on the people they’re supposed to trust with forming them and executing them.

That’s what UCP supporters with their flaccid “but other parties are doing them!” whining don’t see to be able to understand.

Should healthcare be improved? Yes
Should you trust a party that hates public healthcare to do it? No

Should education be improved? Yes
Should you trust a party that hates public education and universities to do it? No

Should immigration be improved? Yes
Should you trust a party that hates immigrants to do it? No

Should voting rights and accessibility be improved? Yes
Should you trust a party that hates democracy to do it? No

Even just looking at the basics or what’s already been done (especially the easiest, low hanging fruit). Look at the Tylenol debacle for example. Was it a good idea to secure more tylenol to address a provincial shortage? Yes. Did the UCP completely screw it up by sourcing a heavily delayed, nearly unusable version? Yes.

They’ve proven time and time again they can’t even handle the simplest things without making everything worse. The only people defending losers are the people who see themselves appropriately represented by losers.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure there is, but if you listen to them, how they talk, how they spread misinformation, it's kinda clear they are anti-immigrant. Which should be not surprise, since their movement is modelled on MAGA.


I think at this point if you aren't questioning their motives, you are being naive. There is enough evidence to show their motives are not just against immigration policy.

I guess my point is that the UCP are conservatives in name only. By using the term conservative interchangeably with the UCP (or CPC) it only causes more division and the likelihood that traditional conservatives get pushed into the party rhetoric.

Conservatives do it too, with "owning the libs" referring to any thought or ideal left of center, when they may only oppose green ideology in practice.

Inclusive language might draw the center and right of center conservatives, so I advocate direct identification of the UCP, as much as possible.

I run into a lot of people, where I live, who can't understand the difference between the NDP and the ANDP, and the hate is irrational. Identification of the UCP separate from traditional conservatism and a ANDP name change, could literally be a 10% swing in rural communities. 50% of the population of earth have gummy brains.

[puffnstuff]

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...ion-clean-coal

At the United Conservative Party convention members voted in favour of a series of resolutions Saturday including repealing the province’s forthcoming auto insurance changes, returning to using coal as an energy source, and banning the fluoridation of public water.
A resolution that didnt pass was the prohibition on foreigners owning land in Alberta.

[Fuzz]

Black Diamonds are back on the menu, boys!

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...ion-clean-coal

At the United Conservative Party convention members voted in favour of a series of resolutions Saturday including repealing the province’s forthcoming auto insurance changes, returning to using coal as an energy source, and banning the fluoridation of public water.
A resolution that didnt pass was the prohibition on foreigners owning land in Alberta.

These are the reasons to hate them. They are on the wrong side of every issue.

Everything they are doing with auto insurance.
Killing renewables to have more coal.
Everything they are doing with utilities.
Making moves toward banning abortion.
Trying to override municipal issues (fluoridation).
Moving ahead with the Alberta Pension Plan that no one asked for.
"Freedom" from Vaccinations.
Designating Churches as essential services.
Allowing foreign ownership of land.

And those are just the things they got wrong on Saturday...

[TorqueDog]

Are you for what the government is doing to auto insurance or against it? It seems so far that everything the government is doing has served only to increase premiums year-over-year. A vote to reverse what the government has done with auto insurance reforms would seem to make sense, in that case.

[puffnstuff]

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/11...remier-of-b-c/

British Columbians were shocked today to be informed by#Alberta#Premier#Danielle Smith#that she is now the head of the B.C. government after using the notwithstanding clause (section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) to make herself premier of that province, too.