Flames will not succeed with Murray Edwards

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesNightmare

Well I know we are in a re-build even though they haven't said it officially. I just want some announcement like "Hey, don't worry fans we gonna go through a tough transition (rebuild), but rest assured we are gonna be contenders in the near future!" That to me is direction.

It just seems like ownership is mum to the situation. And maybe putting Craig Conroy in a tough spot if ownership is not on board with either doing a full rebuild or do a re-tool on the fly.

And I don't play Poker. It's gambling, and gambling is a losing game. House always wins!

What real life difference would such an announcement make? As opposed to what they are actually doing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What real life difference would such an announcement make? As opposed to what they are actually doing.

It would feel more like a rebuild. Right now they are just rebuilding at a rapid pace but for some it does not feel like a rebuild. It looks like a rebuild, it acts like a rebuild, but it does not feel like a rebuild because it lacks the words to correspond with the actions taken.

[Sylvanfan]

That's N.Murray Edwards to you son.

[Flame On]

I'm no fan of Murray Edwards but even I can admit the team is on retool. They may not burn it to the ground as a rebuild, but I have issues with that anyway. I want some vets playing with the young guys coming up, lest they become the Sabres or worse.

Besides, there's no evidence yet, that they won't lean into it more and trade the likes of Kadri, Coleman and Ras.

I do suspect that Conroy has a tough time selling what he wants to do, but even then, Murry just extended him. So I'm willing wait and see.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Jeffrey J. McCaig please read.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesNightmare

Well I know we are in a re-build even though they haven't said it officially. I just want some announcement like "Hey, don't worry fans we gonna go through a tough transition (rebuild), but rest assured we are gonna be contenders in the near future!" That to me is direction.

It just seems like ownership is mum to the situation. And maybe putting Craig Conroy in a tough spot if ownership is not on board with either doing a full rebuild or do a re-tool on the fly.

And I don't play Poker. It's gambling, and gambling is a losing game. House always wins!

I guess the question was why do you need an official statement when you know it’s going on? What would it actually change?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It would feel more like a rebuild. Right now they are just rebuilding at a rapid pace but for some it does not feel like a rebuild. It looks like a rebuild, it acts like a rebuild, but it does not feel like a rebuild because it lacks the words to correspond with the actions taken.

Sounds like a very needy fan base.

[FlamesNightmare]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I guess the question was why do you need an official statement when you know it’s going on? What would it actually change?

Well, it would be official and show the fan-base like - "Hey, we're in a Rebuild Phase." And fans don't have to look at it guessing if it looks like a rebuild, and acts like a rebuild. Right now it seems not to feel like a re-build, and possibly just some sort of fast re-tooling.

Right now, I would be ecstatic if we went into a re-build. The team has been mid-level for the last decade or so. It would be nice to just tear it down, sell off assets, gain prospects, and build a true contender for the Playoffs. And nothing that resembles dead-montons team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesNightmare

Well, it would be official and show the fan-base like - "Hey, we're in a Rebuild Phase." And fans don't have to look at guessing if it looks like a rebuild, and acts like a rebuild. Right now it seems not to feel like a re-build, and possibly just some sort of fast re-tooling.

Right now, I would be ecstatic if we went into a re-build. The team has been mid-level for the last decade or so. It would be nice to just tear it down and build a true contender for the Playoffs. And nothing that resembles dead-montons team.

Why do the fans need handholding? Do they not see what's going on?

If they said "it's a rebuild" it adds nothing of substance.

[FlamesNightmare]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why do the fans need handholding? Do they not see what's going on?

If they said "it's a rebuild" it adds nothing of substance.

Okay, fair enough.

[Strange Brew]

I see no harm in speaking to your customers with a degree of candor.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I see no harm in speaking to your customers with a degree of candor.

I think they have already done that many times, they are not going to let assets go for free, they are working to get younger and they want to accumulate draft picks and they feel like you have to build through the draft. I feel like Conroy has said those things many times since he was made the GM.

[DeluxeMoustache]

It would change nothing in terms of strategic direction but lead to a bunch of unnecessary overreaction

Every player being interviewed will be reminded that the team is tanking and asked a bunch of inane questions about what it is doing to the team, about their future. Somebody would have to talk out loud about ticket sales of putting an inferior product on the ice. Maybe about the coach’s integrity. Who knows what kind of #### storm it would stir up

Why bother saying something that is going to relieve a couple of guys on Calgary puck and create a whole lot of noise for a lot of other people ?

It’s like you guys asking for this have never seen a hockey interview

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I see no harm in speaking to your customers with a degree of candor.

It can chill ticket sales for some people who realize they are paying $16K to watch a team that's not trying to win.

It does no real good except to give lip service to fans who need lip service.

[FlamesNightmare]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It can chill ticket sales for some people who realize they are paying $16K to watch a team that's not trying to win.

It does no real good except to give lip service to fans who need lip service.

So I suppose its about staying the course. Don't show your poker cards. And see and wait how this season plays out.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Make sure the hot dogs are hot, and that the beer is cold.

That'll keep 'em coming back.

[FlamesNightmare]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Make sure the hot dogs are hot, and that the beer is cold.

That'll keep 'em coming back.

Gosh, I've been a Flames fan for a long time but only gone to the Dome once. Do they serve up Pizza?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I see no harm in speaking to your customers with a degree of candor.

I still think it's possible that there is a % of fans that will not renew tickets if it's a rebuild.

They could even have a focus group that says "35% of our fan base isn't supportive"

A very involved hockey fan that would follow the team regardless of what they do or what they call it, may not be who they are speaking too.

[Hackey]

95% of the rebuild type moves have been forced on them. UFAs and trade requests. Any of the slightly tougher decisions have been avoided. Last year's deadline they preferred going for it than actually trying to make moves for the future. They're still holding onto guys that could be traded. They've made moves for roster guys like Sharangovich, Frost, Farabee, Miromanov. Those are retool moves. They likely haven't said anything about a rebuild because a true rebuild isn't their priority and will only happen if it's forced on them due to the performance of the team.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

95% of the rebuild type moves have been forced on them. UFAs and trade requests. Any of the slightly tougher decisions have been avoided. Last year's deadline they preferred going for it than actually trying to make moves for the future. They're still holding onto guys that could be traded. They've made moves for roster guys like Sharangovich, Frost, Farabee, Miromanov. Those are retool moves. They likely haven't said anything about a rebuild because a true rebuild isn't their priority and will only happen if it's forced on them due to the performance of the team.

They have not made what would have to be a minimum of 20 moves for that percentage to be at all accurate, leaving aside the questionable validity of the rest of the statement.