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Old 11-29-2025, 08:46 AM   #14341
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Sharangovich was before the real tear down began.
I see Frost and Farabee as an asset management trade rather than a shortcut trade. I’ll beat Frost returns better than the 2nd they gave up.
Frost and Farabee at this point with how they are playing likely return you a first each if they are dealt. That trade wasn’t so much trying to jump the timeline as it was a well duh of course we will take your two good young players for pennies on the dollar.

If there were similar deals available for that price I would make them again.
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oh boy, only 56 more games of this discussion...and it will continue up to the lottery...and continue until draft day - can't wait.

also, can someone remind me what place the Islanders finished when they won the lottery?
Here are the lottery odds

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

Last place you get a 25% chance of 1st

Islanders somehow won with 3.5% chance.
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Frost and Farabee at this point with how they are playing likely return you a first each if they are dealt. That trade wasn’t so much trying to jump the timeline as it was a well duh of course we will take your two good young players for pennies on the dollar.

If there were similar deals available for that price I would make them again.
The other aspect of that trade was it added players in that age range that when you eventually trade your vets you still have NHL bodies. I always saw them as the next stage or replacement vets. To your point in a couple years they will be the new crop of Vets people will be clamoring to trade to help the rebuild.
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Here are the lottery odds

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

Last place you get a 25% chance of 1st

Islanders somehow won with 3.5% chance.
Yeah it's also about the odds of a top 3 or top 4 pick IMO than just the odds of 4th overall. The Isles winning the lottery actually made some of the other teams picks worse.

So you can sermonize about how the worst team in the league last year only got the 2nd overall pick. That doesn't seem so bad to me.

Meanwhile a team with 80 points drafted 11th overall. That's the situation to avoid.
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Old 11-29-2025, 09:42 AM   #14345
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Here are the lottery odds

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

Last place you get a 25% chance of 1st

Islanders somehow won with 3.5% chance.

Exactly why i dont want them no goods anywhere near the lottery.

Mind you if Mckenna is what some say, an offence only winger who isnt good off the puck, it would continue the no good tradition established by the wonder twins. Wonder twin powers! Flatulate!

Alologies dont mean to derail the thread with no good talk.

As long as we are top five in this draft we walk away with an excellent prospect top ten i daresay, some of the defencemen are sooo good.
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Old 11-29-2025, 10:32 AM   #14346
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This team not getting a top 5 pick this year is really a disaster. Im not being hyperbolic, I really think that.


Looking at the athletic attendance article the Flames are already bottom 5 in respective attendance this season. I really believe apathy for this organization is really starting to set in.
Its has not been an exciting club for the last 4 seasons, for many casual or diehard fans.


There's a pretty significant drop off and this team desperately needs what those top players have the highest likehood of providing. And not just the skillset alone but the spark of hope and excitement that brings.
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Old 11-29-2025, 10:48 AM   #14347
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This team not getting a top 5 pick this year is really a disaster. Im not being hyperbolic, I really think that.


Looking at the athletic attendance article the Flames are already bottom 5 in respective attendance this season. I really believe apathy for this organization is really starting to set in.
Its has not been an exciting club for the last 4 seasons, for many casual or diehard fans.


There's a pretty significant drop off and this team desperately needs what those top players have the highest likehood of providing. And not just the skillset alone but the spark of hope and excitement that brings.
No doubt the excitement around this team next year if they have McKenna or Stenberg will be significantly higher than if they claw their way to drafting 8-10 and roll a similar roster out there next year.

Then there is a real certainty there will be buzz and excitement the following season when Scotia Place opens. Hopefully with another high end piece joining the team.

Year 2 in Scotia Place let’s see if this team can push out of the top 10 draft picks and maybe push for a wildcard spot
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This team not getting a top 5 pick this year is really a disaster. Im not being hyperbolic, I really think that.


Looking at the athletic attendance article the Flames are already bottom 5 in respective attendance this season. I really believe apathy for this organization is really starting to set in.
Its has not been an exciting club for the last 4 seasons, for many casual or diehard fans.


There's a pretty significant drop off and this team desperately needs what those top players have the highest likehood of providing. And not just the skillset alone but the spark of hope and excitement that brings.
I agree.

I think I'll put it even further - not only do they need to be a bottom-5 team, they need to do everything they can from a management perspective to guide this thing into maintaining their current bottom-3 finish.

They need to give themselves the best odds possible.
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Agreed. I’d say we need top 4 picks this year and next before we start trying to rise.
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Matheson resigning can only be good for Ras’ value.
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Old 11-29-2025, 11:39 AM   #14351
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Exactly why i dont want them no goods anywhere near the lottery.

Mind you if Mckenna is what some say, an offence only winger who isnt good off the puck, it would continue the no good tradition established by the wonder twins. Wonder twin powers! Flatulate!

Alologies dont mean to derail the thread with no good talk.

As long as we are top five in this draft we walk away with an excellent prospect top ten i daresay, some of the defencemen are sooo good.
It’s not inconceivable that Toronto and Edmonton are competing with the Flames for better lottery odds at this point. Not to mention Vancouver.
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