[PGT] Flames defeat Florida 5-3

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well it’s now 6 starts, in which he has not had a single game with sv% less than .920.

What exactly has the #1 proven? In 20 starts without sheltering he has been over .920 one more time,7. And over .900 9 times

So Wolf has been over .900 … 45% of the time
And Cooley being over .920 … 100% of the time has proven … he’s a good backup.

Ok

That's not the point I'm making. Starters around the league are starting 3/4 the games he is. You can't really compare his stats to them because if he had their workload it's highly doubtful his league leading stats would stay the same.

It's not a knock on him. I hope he continues to play well. It's just being realistic. It's no different than a player playing 1/4 of the team's games but having a crazy shooting percentage.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It seems you are biased against any player that leaves the Flames. But to me, I have more emotional attachment to Bennett than I do most of our current players. He's a player we drafted and I wanted to see succeed.

He went on to win MVP of the playoffs. He is an awesome hockey player.

I will defend Bennett to the death!

Lol you are biased against any current player...Tanev is my favourite hockey player fyi. I have nothing against Bennett...another poster brought up his poor play and I said the contract wont age well, nearly every talking head said the same thing. Call the cops.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said otherwise...they dont take the cups back if you dont give him that deal though. Its not going to age well

I think its going to age just fine, personally, but I'm no fancy 'Big City Capologist.'

Also, guys (not directly dino) he has a differing opinion. Thats fine. We're in uncharted Cap Waters here and only time will tell, can we please keep it relatively civil?

I get where dino is coming from and in a different cap time I'd more than likely agree with him. Even now I dont like the concept of 'Retirement Contracts.' Giving a 29 year-old an 8-year deal does, on the surface, seem pretty unwise. But older players are showing that they can still contribute.

As far Bennett goes? The guy just won a Cup and a Conn Smythe, he was getting $8M from somewhere regardless, what do we care if he gets it from Florida?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dino7c

8x8 and yeah its totally just me lol

Usual suspects will thank this and you didnt even have the contract right. Havent seen the Sam Bennett police in a while

Bennett's contract pays him to be a playoff monster. We're a quarter into the regular season right now, and he's playing out of his depth becuase of the ridiculous amount of injuries the Panthers have. He'll be more productive when he gets Chucky back on his line again. (Chucky was another guy you swore up and down was garbage, but you've been pretty quiet about him since he won his first Cup.)

I have to say, I'm pretty surprised you aren't calling the Panthers a garbage team, like you did the year they had a similar string of injuries but then went to the finals once everyone was healthy again lol.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think its going to age just fine, personally, but I'm no fancy 'Big City Capologist.'

Also, guys (not directly dino) he has a differing opinion. Thats fine. We're in uncharted Cap Waters here and only time will tell, can we please keep it relatively civil?

I get where dino is coming from and in a different cap time I'd more than likely agree with him. Even now I dont like the concept of 'Retirement Contracts.' Giving a 29 year-old an 8-year deal does, on the surface, seem pretty unwise. But older players are showing that they can still contribute.

As far Bennett goes? The guy just won a Cup and a Conn Smythe, he was getting $8M from somewhere regardless, what do we care if he gets it from Florida?

TO probably would have given him 9x7 if he hit the open market, and if they didn't then someone else would have easily. The league is full of guys who light it up in the regualr season but disapear in the playoffs. Bennett is a rare breed that will help you win IN the playoffs.

Playoff goals scored since 2022-2023 season (salary)
1 Leon Draisaitl 34 ($14M)
2 Sam Reinhart 29 ($8.625M)
3 Sam Bennett 27 ($8M)
4 Carter Verhaeghe 25 ($7M)
5 Matthew Tkachuk 25 ($9.5M)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Bennett's contract pays him to be a playoff monster. We're a quarter into the regular season right now, and he's playing out of his depth becuase of the ridiculous amount of injuries the Panthers have. He'll be more productive when he gets Chucky back on his line again. (Chucky was another guy you swore up and down was garbage, but you've been pretty quiet about him since he won his first Cup.)

I have to say, I'm pretty surprised you aren't calling the Panthers a garbage team, like you did the year they had a similar string of injuries but then went to the finals once everyone was healthy again lol.

lol I knew your radar would go off

guys, have any opinion you like...lets not act like its some outlandish homer take though. He is on the Athletics top 10 worst contracts list in year one of the deal. Barkov is 30 and injury prone, Bob is 37, Marchand ancient. Bennett might not get many playoff runs on this deal...this year seems like a maybe partially thanks to his so-so regular season play.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That's not the point I'm making. Starters around the league are starting 3/4 the games he is. You can't really compare his stats to them because if he had their workload it's highly doubtful his league leading stats would stay the same.

It's not a knock on him. I hope he continues to play well. It's just being realistic. It's no different than a player playing 1/4 of the team's games but having a crazy shooting percentage.

Fair, and at the same time if he started the next 14 and of those, had 13 bad games .. he’d be on par with Wolf

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Fair, and at the same time if he started the next 14 and of those, had 13 bad games .. he’d be on par with Wolf

Maybe, unless Wolf gets going and starts to look more like what we saw last year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Maybe, unless Wolf gets going and starts to look more like what we saw last year.

Which he will do when we play the bottom 3 teams in each conference

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

TO probably would have given him 9x7 if he hit the open market, and if they didn't then someone else would have easily. The league is full of guys who light it up in the regualr season but disapear in the playoffs. Bennett is a rare breed that will help you win IN the playoffs.

Playoff goals scored since 2022-2023 season (salary)
1 Leon Draisaitl 34 ($14M)
2 Sam Reinhart 29 ($8.625M)
3 Sam Bennett 27 ($8M)
4 Carter Verhaeghe 25 ($7M)
5 Matthew Tkachuk 25 ($9.5M)

Something tells me all these players playoff goal totals are going to take a drastic downturn in the next 8 seasons. Regular season points do matter too when your team is no longer a playoff lock...like right now.

[FanIn80]

Wolfie has started 20 games this year. He's posted a .900+ sv% in 9 of those starts and .890+ sv% in another 2. He's been really good on a really bad team... but his saves above expected has been terrible for sure.

It just seems like a typical sophomore slump. The skill is there, but he's probably feeling a bit more pressure with the contract and trying to better his first season's numbers. I'm not too worried about him. Look at his entire body of work in every league he's played in... it's gonna take more than 10 bad games on the worst team in the league (ps. at no point do I remember thinking "we would have won if we had a couple more saves").

[dino7c]

Yeah when the Flames were losing they weren't scoring enough for it to matter anyway...Wolf is a 2nd year NHL goalie and Cooley is a guy playing well who nobody wanted in the NHL a couple months back. There is no problem here, NONE.

Cooley and Wolf can push eachother

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol you are biased against any current player...Tanev is my favourite hockey player fyi. I have nothing against Bennett...another poster brought up his poor play and I said the contract wont age well, nearly every talking head said the same thing. Call the cops.

I'm not biased against any current player. Have you ever heard me say one negative thing about Wolf, Coronato, or Parekh?

I want the vets traded so you don't hear much positive from me about the vets but I also don't dislike them. And let's be honest, there are only a couple players remaining from our last playoff run anyways.

[Manhattanboy]

Was out of town just tuned in. Nice!

Nothing better than being a fan of the Flames.

[TheIronMaiden]

Its hard not to love Kadri.

[madmike]

I like Wolf and think he'll be fine as the long-term starter, but he's having a bad year. He hasn't been absolutely brutal, but he has been a below average starter.

I think part of his issue is the crazy workload. With Cooley playing as well as he is, there's no reason to keep piling the starts on Wolf.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not biased against any current player. Have you ever heard me say one negative thing about Wolf, Coronato, or Parekh?

I want the vets traded so you don't hear much positive from me about the vets but I also don't dislike them. And let's be honest, there are only a couple players remaining from our last playoff run anyways.

A month ago you were saying Kadri was "washed"

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol you are biased against any current player...Tanev is my favourite hockey player fyi. I have nothing against Bennett...another poster brought up his poor play and I said the contract wont age well, nearly every talking head said the same thing. Call the cops.

Give it a damn rest. Come to see the post game talk and get a lecture from the same guy who always has to be the center of attention. FFS.

[Bingo]

Not sure if this will relieve or incite a panic ...

But I ran the last four years of 30th, 31st and 32nd place teams to get an average "pace" for each of the bottom finishers.

This is graphed against the Flames.

The Flames are different than most of the teams in this sample set as they have players that they'll be moving, rather than already stripped down as was the case for the Sharks, Hawks and Ducks.

Interesting that the 30th place team stays ahead of the terrible two.

[Johnny Makarov]

However we still have 18 games remaining against the Sharks, Ducks, Canucks, Kraken, Kings and Oilers. We should go .800 against these losers.