That last one, eventually grew to the heating oil carveout after the backlash of not listening to Atlantic provinces, which lead one Liberal to effectively say you should vote Liberal if you want carveouts.
Note Notley agreeing with Ford here . Maybe...just maybe if some of you folks weren't so busy gaslighting yourself on fire on the past, you'd stop and see that Trudeau was absolutely not amicable with provinces he ideologically opposed , took pleasure in promoting very divisive policies that disproportionally impacted some provinces more than others and imposing them despite objections and this cooperation would not be a thing a year ago.
Maybe it need a threat like Trump to do it for Canadians to wake up (and Liberals to hard pivot), but we were absolutely not having this level of mutual provincial cooperation under the previous governments (over the past 20 years).
Try and pay attention a little more closely to what I wrote. I literally stated that some federal governments were more open to working together than others but if you don't think Alberta was being pissy and stubborn with Trudeau then you're the one gaslighting yourself.
Smith literally just agreed to things she was screaming about when Trudeau was in power. Could an agreement have been met if she wasn't so busy trying to make everyone else the bad guy? We'll never know because we didn't even try.
It didn't used to be that way. Ask yourself why that is. It can be fixed with the right leader though.
What do you consider someone's own interests, or rather why do you think they are not?
It's been that way for the 23 years I have been voting.
I'm Albertan. Someone else's interests should match my interests and everyone else can fend for themselves...unless I happen to need that thing that's part of their interests. Which, in that case, I reserve the right to whine about how it's also their fault I don't have that thing.
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It's been that way for the 23 years I have been voting.
I'm Albertan. Someone else's interests should match my interests and everyone else can fend for themselves...unless I happen to need that thing that's part of their interests. Which, in that case, I reserve the right to whine about how it's also their fault I don't have that thing.
I saw one of the pictures of the fool when he was getting arrested at the CN tower in 2001 a few weeks ago. I lived in Toronto when the two clowns did it, I was embarrassed for my country when he made into cabinet.
That was a wholly unserious Government from the top of the CN Tower to the Paddy Wagon at the bottom.
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I am optimistic about the announcement, this MOU, but I feel like this is, if not insurmountable, then enough of a roadblock to delay things for many years (and cost many millions, maybe billions, of dollars to overcome, if it ever is:
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As the Rights and Title Holders of the Central and North Coast and Haida Gwaii, we are here to remind the Alberta government, the federal government, and any potential private proponent that we will never allow oil tankers on our coast, and that this pipeline project will never happen.
Except they don't have regional priorities. Unless bigotry, homophobia, transphobia and general social backwards thinking are a regional priority?
There's no chance they looked at it and decided there was no business case in your mind?
Because they won't. And you know they won't. No matter what Carney does, no matter what he accomplishes. No matter how much bending over backwards he does, whether successful or unsuccessful will get him enough votes to make a difference. Oh, you misunderstand. I think it is in the Federal interest for this pipeline to be done. I've been calling for this to be done to the west coast for sometimes, but I am in the minority where I live. I think it won't happen because BC, as a Province doesn't want it. I think Smith will do the bare minimum, if anything at all, to get this done because being able to rail against the Federal Government is more politically beneficial to her than actually succeeding. I think Alberta's electorate will fall for that hook line and sinker, as they always have, not asking what a tire fire provincial government could have done when given the opportunity to get what they wanted and just continuing to blame the Natural Ruling Party of Canada.
I'm not bitter at all, I am just realistic to how this is likely to play out.
The bolded is false. 56% of BC residents support a pipeline from Alberta to coastal water.
As for you thinking Smith will do as little as possible to get it done, well, you are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Smith wouldn’t have taken it this far if there was no one intention on her part to get this pipeline built.
You may not be bitter. But you certainly sound bitter.
Funny thing, with what Carney has done so far, I have never had this much personal support for a Liberal government in all my years as an eligible voter. Keep up the good work!! (Although, they have a long way to go).
“We are looking right now and companies are looking at whether or not the new context makes it a worthwhile business case to make those investments,” Trudeau said, adding the federal government would be willing to ease regulatory hurdles to assist its allies.
“But there needs to be a business case. It needs to make sense for Germany to be receiving LNG directly from the East Coast. Those are discussions that are ongoing right now between our ministers, between various companies to see if indeed it makes sense,” Trudeau said.
Meanwhile, the US is now selling LNG to Germany to fill the void that Trudeau and co (specifically Guillbault) deliberately buried.
You snooze you lose. Germany has built up a bunch of new LNG terminals, being filled by good old American LNG exports while Canada still has yet to complete LNG terminal out east (despite a dozen defunct projects in the past decade. One such case was literally within weeks of the Ukraine war. Such was the Trudeau era.
I had planned a large post about LNG projects purposely similar to misconceptions about oil sands a few months ago when the last subject came up to educate, but I lost the post and I never posted it. But TLDR, there were many, and all were red taped or declined to be abandoned. This is one of many killed, I can make an essay if you want.
Because they won't. And you know they won't. No matter what Carney does, no matter what he accomplishes. No matter how much bending over backwards he does, whether successful or unsuccessful will get him enough votes to make a difference.
Clearly false, as the jump from 15 to 30% in Alberta for Liberals despite their extremely checkered history with Trudeau would indicate and refute your claim (heck I am one of them and by far one of Trudeau's biggest critics). Considering that Carney got 44% of the vote across the Canada, Alberta did not have a dire impact on Liberal fortunes where he wouldn't be elected here. It turns out that having a pragmatic leader who's not out to treat Alberta issues as damaging to Canada or impose ideology despite the damage at a time of crisis, can be a little more agreeable with.
Trudeau never tried. Carney did from day 1 (even while Smith was going around being demanding and snarky with her early press conference before the election). And even she has been won over, even if partially.
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Oh, you misunderstand. I think it is in the Federal interest for this pipeline to be done. I've been calling for this to be done to the west coast for sometimes, but I am in the minority where I live. I think it won't happen because BC, as a Province doesn't want it. I think Smith will do the bare minimum, if anything at all, to get this done because being able to rail against the Federal Government is more politically beneficial to her than actually succeeding. I think Alberta's electorate will fall for that hook line and sinker, as they always have, not asking what a tire fire provincial government could have done when given the opportunity to get what they wanted and just continuing to blame the Natural Ruling Party of Canada.
I'm not bitter at all, I am just realistic to how this is likely to play out.
False again, BC overall is in support of pipelines under the right conditions. Heck this was the case back in 2016 as well. There was never a strong opposition outside of Quebec.
Again. If Smith fails when Carney has done his job, that's on her and for Alberta voters to correct in the next election (and she has no problems grifting to her detriment). Right now the onus is on Eby to work for the better of Canada and put ideology aside (I mean he's already done it by kicking carbon tax to the curb as soon as he could). How Trudeau handled the Horgan mess (or rather failed to reign him in and let it fester to what it became) is largely why Kinder Morgan is no longer in control of the pipeline and why it is now a government owned pipeline.
Carney has stepped in on multiple fronts and has done so with such conviction, it caused activists like Guillbault to quit. He's already won my vote for as long as he continues to run as PM.
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Try and pay attention a little more closely to what I wrote. I literally stated that some federal governments were more open to working together than others but if you don't think Alberta was being pissy and stubborn with Trudeau then you're the one gaslighting yourself.
Smith literally just agreed to things she was screaming about when Trudeau was in power. Could an agreement have been met if she wasn't so busy trying to make everyone else the bad guy? We'll never know because we didn't even try.
"I share some of the concerns about some of the historical positions taken by that minister in the past, some of his anti-pipeline commentary, that is certainly troubling," she said.
When the Alberta NDP and UCP agree on something you have a grifting problem.
Explain your reasoning on putting a radical eco terrorist as minister of environment and climate change, if not a grift?
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RN: I mean, obviously, I think they could have come to the table more aggressively and fulsomely for the people of Alberta. I mean, yes, we got the pipeline and that is good. But at the same time, you know, they were pushing ahead in a pretty tone deaf way with C-69, pushing ahead with C-48. And not stepping up with the kinds of supports that workers in our industry could have used. For instance, matching some of the kinds of supports that you saw for other industries in central Canada.
Again. Reality check folks (especially Trudeau apologists who have clouded glasses of the past decade). Trudeau and Singh (and activists like Avi Lewis and the Leap movement, and Guilbault) quite literally turned Notley from a prodigy NDP left hopeful on promises of oil royalty reviews and green energy projects, into a centrist trying to salvage the oil industry with oil rail contracts after realizing the federal government cared little for Alberta, ideology ruling over people.
Trudeau pissed off Notley, well before Kenney and Smith came in the picture. Yet it's as if the NDP run Alberta province and 2015-2019 never existed.
Maybe you're too young to remember this, or perhaps you just don't follow news that impacts other provinces, but in 1992 the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans completely shut down the Newfoundland cod fishing industry because it had become unsustainable after decades of mismanagement and overfishing. The cod population in Newfoundland waters had collapsed to a mere 1% of historic levels. The federal ban on Newfoundland cod fishing was only lifted in 2024, 32 years later, and even then fishing quotas are very tightly restricted.
As a direct result of the federal government's intervention, about 37,000 Newfoundlanders employed in the commercial fishing industry and related sectors lost their jobs. The population of the entire province in 1992 (including children, retirees, and non-working adults which make up about 40% of the total population) was 580k, so you can do the math and figure out what a sudden increase of 37,000 newly unemployed adults did to the local economy. If you scale that number up to Alberta's current population, that would be the equivalent of about 315,000 Albertans -- or three times the entire population of the greater Fort McMurray area -- suddenly losing their jobs practically overnight because of a mandate by the federal government.
And yet, I know dozens of Newfoundlanders, and not a single one of them has ever complained about Ottawa the same way so many Albertans do.
False equivalency.
Government was right to shut down the fishery (1% of historic levels) and wrong to manage a G7 resource-based economy with the 4th largest oil production and reserves like it's Sweden. Deep down Newfoundlanders know it and hence why they 'complain less'. Trudeau's policies were economic suicide - it speaks volumes that his successor (who is probably the most qualified PM to manage an economy in generations) under the same political banner can't get rid of them fast enough. It's winning Carney no votes in Quebec or Urban Toronto to set up a major projects office in Calgary and sign a MOU with Alberta on a pipeline, environmental standards, emissions etc . . . But when you lay all the facts on the table and absorb the new world reality that Canada must fend for it's economic needs on it's own lest the country deteriorate into the 51st state, all of a sudden leaving your most valuable natural resource 'in the ground' with it's largest industry in managed decline isn't such a bright idea anymore.
I typically vote CPC but I bought a Liberal membership this spring and will vote Liberal again in the next election if Carney continues and follows through with dismantling the Trudeau insanity and actually accomplishes getting on with building our economy practically unrestrained by past sacred cows. I suggest any former CPC voters not captured by anti-vax, anti-immigrant, pro-Maga propaganda join me there. We need to give Carney enough political headroom to expel out all the Guilbeault-types from his party.
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Carney went from 15% to 30% in a conservative leaning province (with a major cost of living crisis and poll implosion in between that would have cratered that 15% support) and you are saying...it can't be a policy shift that caused more Albertans to vote Liberal and Liberals doubling their vote total?
Ok, You think 30% of Albertans would have voted for Trudeau had he stayed?
Liberals might not win in a Conservative stronghold like Battle River-Crowfoot, but a good leader and good policy that actively aid the region rather than promote divisive ones will absolutely result in more votes, not less.
Carney went from 15% to 30% in a conservative leaning province (with a major cost of living crisis and poll implosion in between that would have cratered that 15% support) and you are saying...it can't be a policy shift that caused more Albertans to vote Liberal and Liberals doubling their vote total?
Ok, You think 30% of Albertans would have voted for Trudeau had he stayed?
Liberals might not win in a Conservative stronghold like Battle River-Crowfoot, but a good leader and good policy that actively aid the region rather than promote divisive ones will absolutely result in more votes, not less.
Conservatives went from 55 to 64. There were virtually no conservatives in Alberta that voted for Carney. That will never change, regardless of any policiy changes. Suspect this policy change actually leads to less votes in Alberta for Carney.
Conservatives went from 55 to 64. There were virtually no conservatives in Alberta that voted for Carney. That will never change, regardless of any policiy changes. Suspect this policy change actually leads to less votes in Alberta for Carney.
Yeah - the Liberals gained 12.4% of the vote, the NDP lost 12.8%. The CPC gained 8.2%, the Peoples party disappeared with their 7.4%.
Nothing actually changed vote wise in Alberta except a consolidation on each side from similar leaning people.
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Maybe you're too young to remember this, or perhaps you just don't follow news that impacts other provinces, but in 1992 the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans completely shut down the Newfoundland cod fishing industry because it had become unsustainable after decades of mismanagement and overfishing. The cod population in Newfoundland waters had collapsed to a mere 1% of historic levels. The federal ban on Newfoundland cod fishing was only lifted in 2024, 32 years later, and even then fishing quotas are very tightly restricted.
As a direct result of the federal government's intervention, about 37,000 Newfoundlanders employed in the commercial fishing industry and related sectors lost their jobs. The population of the entire province in 1992 (including children, retirees, and non-working adults which make up about 40% of the total population) was 580k, so you can do the math and figure out what a sudden increase of 37,000 newly unemployed adults did to the local economy. If you scale that number up to Alberta's current population, that would be the equivalent of about 315,000 Albertans -- or three times the entire population of the greater Fort McMurray area -- suddenly losing their jobs practically overnight because of a mandate by the federal government.
And yet, I know dozens of Newfoundlanders, and not a single one of them has ever complained about Ottawa the same way so many Albertans do.
I know you are isolating this example since it was listed as an industry, but it's not a great one to use if you want to pass that they don't ever complain. Are these happy folks?
The PC government put in several recovery programs to help such as Northern Cod Adjustment and Recovery Program to get folks on their feet and taken care of. You know those type of job recovery programs that ideological folks like Avi Lewis want Albertans to magically accept in lieu of fossil fuels? Yeah, they don't help much in reality...
You want to know the impact besides the emigration out of the province? Ask a Newfoundlander what they think of Mulroney or John Crosbie
And Newfoundlanders responded in kind, by voting a crazy 67% for Liberals in direct retaliation. In the previous 1988 election, Conservatives had 42% and won 2 Seats with 45% to the Liberals. The previous election, NL went 57.6 for Conservative.
So PC went from 57.6% of the popular vote in a province, to 26.7% in less than a decade, all from this moratorium. If that is not complaining, I don't know what is.
And yet this was all over an absolutely necessary act to prevent cod from going extinct and cause further damage, with direct local impact, not based off ideology and activist groups. If it didn't happen in 1992 it would have happened with zero chance of recovery 30 years down the line. If it wasn't the PC government, the Liberals would surely act, but they would have felt the backlash too if they were in power at the time. You know how Atlantic provinces are traditionally seen to always lean Liberal election after election, this is where that line really started. Atlantic provinces generally feel they are treated more fairly by Liberals than by Conservatives (similar to how Alberta generally feel they are treated more fairly by Conservatives, funny how it works). Even though it was a needed action, PC government got hit hard despite it.
This is why the whole desperation by Liberals with the heating oil carveout happened. Did you somehow forget that NL was about to bail ship on the Liberals at the time when Ken McDonald (Avalon) NL voted against the Liberals on a Conservative motion for Tax exemption on home heating fuel? This was a full year before Trudeau caved and gave a heating oil carveout exemption to salvage Atlantic provinces. They don't do this if constituents aren't heavily complaining.
Newfoundlanders aren't immune to anger, or retaliating with their votes against a government they do not like or if they do not get what they want. This is not an Alberta only phenomenon that some here consistently want to project.
Meanwhile, we have a literal separatist party in our 2nd most populous province that consistently get over 30% of the province votes to straight out leave the country they hate it so much, including a referendum vote that lost by a fraction of a point and it's as if they don't exist. I don't get this obsession by some to target Albertans and portray them as complainers specifically just because they lean a way some don't like.
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I am optimistic about the announcement, this MOU, but I feel like this is, if not insurmountable, then enough of a roadblock to delay things for many years (and cost many millions, maybe billions, of dollars to overcome, if it ever is:
I've become a huge Carney-phile. If only he wasn't a stinking oilers fan, but it's hard to really hate a loyal homer too much. He's not just a banddwagoner.
His budget is not earth shattering, but it is totally contra political cyclical. It will take 10 years for the payoffs to be seen in some cases, but if they do payout they could be huge. That is how we should be governed, not quick wins to service every interest group and buy releection. Hard decisions, upsetting big stakeholders, and building consensus... He extracted hard commitments from the UCP about carbon pricing rising (something they devoutly dont believe in at the top) on the ACCIP (again, something they were actively trying to ditch) and even on hard methane limits! He bought environmentalists more than they will ever probably willingly acknowledge.
This is consensus building. He is going to have to break some hopes in BC but I think he can do it.
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I know you are isolating this example since it was listed as an industry, but it's not a great one to use if you want to pass that they don't ever complain. Are these happy folks?
The PC government put in several recovery programs to help such as Northern Cod Adjustment and Recovery Program to get folks on their feet and taken care of. You know those type of job recovery programs that ideological folks like Avi Lewis want Albertans to magically accept in lieu of fossil fuels? Yeah, they don't help much in reality...
You want to know the impact besides the emigration out of the province? Ask a Newfoundlander what they think of Mulroney or John Crosbie
And Newfoundlanders responded in kind, by voting a crazy 67% for Liberals in direct retaliation. In the previous 1988 election, Conservatives had 42% and won 2 Seats with 45% to the Liberals. The previous election, NL went 57.6 for Conservative.
So PC went from 57.6% of the popular vote in a province, to 26.7% in less than a decade, all from this moratorium. If that is not complaining, I don't know what is.
And yet this was all over an absolutely necessary act to prevent cod from going extinct and cause further damage, with direct local impact, not based off ideology and activist groups. If it didn't happen in 1992 it would have happened with zero chance of recovery 30 years down the line. If it wasn't the PC government, the Liberals would surely act, but they would have felt the backlash too if they were in power at the time. You know how Atlantic provinces are traditionally seen to always lean Liberal election after election, this is where that line really started. Atlantic provinces generally feel they are treated more fairly by Liberals than by Conservatives (similar to how Alberta generally feel they are treated more fairly by Conservatives, funny how it works). Even though it was a needed action, PC government got hit hard despite it.
This is why the whole desperation by Liberals with the heating oil carveout happened. Did you somehow forget that NL was about to bail ship on the Liberals at the time when Ken McDonald (Avalon) NL voted against the Liberals on a Conservative motion for Tax exemption on home heating fuel? This was a full year before Trudeau caved and gave a heating oil carveout exemption to salvage Atlantic provinces. They don't do this if constituents aren't heavily complaining.
Newfoundlanders aren't immune to anger, or retaliating with their votes against a government they do not like or if they do not get what they want. This is not an Alberta only phenomenon that some here consistently want to project.
Meanwhile, we have a literal separatist party in our 2nd most populous province that consistently get over 30% of the province votes to straight out leave the country they hate it so much, including a referendum vote that lost by a fraction of a point and it's as if they don't exist. I don't get this obsession by some to target Albertans and portray them as complainers specifically just because they lean a way some don't like.
You would have a point if they were still stomping around crying about how the feds and all other provinces are out to get them, because that's Alberta. Of course they were upset when it happened, I don't think anyone said differently. They can still disagree with what was done too, but the crying here is never ending.
Alberta should learn from NFLD, vote out parties who don't get things done, instead of voting blindly for one party who has no reason to ever do anything for you. Of course there are times where it would be near impossible to get something done, but this narrative that the world is out to get us is so tired an old, and embarrassing.
Yes fisheries were shut down for a good reason, people were still upset about how it was handled.
Alberta Oil production has only been increasing every single year to record highs, and people are still upset about how we're getting screwed and the feds don't want us making oil, even after recently expanding a pipeline.
There's a lot more the feds could have done, and there's a lot more Alberta could have done to have these projects further along.
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I typically vote CPC but I bought a Liberal membership this spring and will vote Liberal again in the next election if Carney continues and follows through with dismantling the Trudeau insanity and actually accomplishes getting on with building our economy practically unrestrained by past sacred cows. I suggest any former CPC voters not captured by anti-vax, anti-immigrant, pro-Maga propaganda join me there. We need to give Carney enough political headroom to expel out all the Guilbeault-types from his party.
It's odd. You have several people in this thread, traditionally conservative leaning, or centrist and heavily critical of Trudeau most all saying they love what Carney is doing, people voting for Carney, even joining Liberal membership. People generally being very happy with the direction the Liberals and Canada as a whole is going for the first time in a very long time. This is making the CPC redundant or irrelevant, Poilievre has lost all his momentum and spiraling down, and yet there is little defending or excusing happening.
Yes some apparently can't help themselves, are still barking up defending Trudeau's past, or that Albertans are whiners with no redemption possible, or that they could never be happy even when for the first time in a long time, a Liberal led government is actually handing an olive branch instead of manure.
I have yet to hear one of these complainers say their thoughts on Carney's direction. It's like they simply just don't want to admit that Trudeau was a bad PM and they also don't want to acknowledge that the Liberal is a different party today that has gone much further right than they likely want. So they resort to gaslighting about problems that kicked Trudeau to the curb and have us in the current situation. No one has addressed that Notley was dealing with the same crap from Trudeau that Kenney and Smith were, even so much as calling Trudeau and his government tone-deaf. Just ignore it and keep blabbing that Albertans just like complaining. No one has addressed why Trudeau would put Guilbeault in as Ministry of Environment and Climate Change as anything other than a grift against western provinces. They still repeat stuff like be thankful for TMX, which was debated and debunked ad nauseum yet still they proceed.
It's very telling to see the true colours of these folks. This was never about making things better. It's turned into "I just don't like these folks and they should never have nice things because they have opposing views to mine and don't accept change for the better based on my personal terms".
Oh look as I type this, Exhibit A
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You would have a point if they were still stomping around crying about how the feds and all other provinces are out to get them, because that's Alberta. Of course they were upset when it happened, I don't think anyone said differently. They can still disagree with what was done too, but the crying here is never ending.
Alberta should learn from NFLD, vote out parties who don't get things done, instead of voting blindly for one party who has no reason to ever do anything for you. Of course there are times where it would be near impossible to get something done, but this narrative that the world is out to get us is so tired an old, and embarrassing.
Yes fisheries were shut down for a good reason, people were still upset about how it was handled.
Alberta Oil production has only been increasing every single year to record highs, and people are still upset about how we're getting screwed and the feds don't want us making oil, even after recently expanding a pipeline.
There's a lot more the feds could have done, and there's a lot more Alberta could have done to have these projects further along.
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You snooze you lose. Germany has built up a bunch of new LNG terminals, being filled by good old American LNG exports while Canada still has yet to complete LNG terminal out east (despite a dozen defunct projects in the past decade. One such case was literally within weeks of the Ukraine war. Such was the Trudeau era.
I had planned a large post about LNG projects purposely similar to misconceptions about oil sands a few months ago when the last subject came up to educate, but I lost the post and I never posted it. But TLDR, there were many, and all were red taped or declined to be abandoned. This is one of many killed, I can make an essay if you want.
I'd love an essay. I'll be reading these likely after work and responding in kind.
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Clearly false, as the jump from 15 to 30% in Alberta for Liberals despite their extremely checkered history with Trudeau would indicate and refute your claim (heck I am one of them and by far one of Trudeau's biggest critics). Considering that Carney got 44% of the vote across the Canada, Alberta did not have a dire impact on Liberal fortunes where he wouldn't be elected here. It turns out that having a pragmatic leader who's not out to treat Alberta issues as damaging to Canada or impose ideology despite the damage at a time of crisis, can be a little more agreeable with.
That was almost all NDP voters as their party collapsed. It still didn't lead to one single seat.
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Trudeau never tried. Carney did from day 1 (even while Smith was going around being demanding and snarky with her early press conference before the election). And even she has been won over, even if partially.
Trudeau's overtures towards Alberta cost him seats in BC and Quebec the very next election. It was the same thing that will now cost Carney. He won't pick up any seats in Alberta though. If he gets a third election, you will see him make no concessions towards Alberta because there is nothing to be won politically.
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False again, BC overall is in support of pipelines under the right conditions. Heck this was the case back in 2016 as well. There was never a strong opposition outside of Quebec.
Yes. Under the right conditions. Those conditions have not been met, which is why some people in BC are irate right now.
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Again. If Smith fails when Carney has done his job, that's on her and for Alberta voters to correct in the next election (and she has no problems grifting to her detriment). Right now the onus is on Eby to work for the better of Canada and put ideology aside (I mean he's already done it by kicking carbon tax to the curb as soon as he could). How Trudeau handled the Horgan mess (or rather failed to reign him in and let it fester to what it became) is largely why Kinder Morgan is no longer in control of the pipeline and why it is now a government owned pipeline.
There is no onus on Eby to do anything. Everything is on Smith, and she won't do it. If you think Carney will be able to do anything to stop Eby, I have a bridge to sell you. He's just as good at this as Horgan was. This ends the same way as the last one if you think it falls on Eby to do something.
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Carney has stepped in on multiple fronts and has done so with such conviction, it caused activists like Guillbault to quit. He's already won my vote for as long as he continues to run as PM.
That's great, but I feel like you're a minority in your province.
