[Rumour] Flames, Conroy make progress on contract extension

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who else signed a 2 year deal?

Sweeney, Nill, Allvin got 3

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sweeney, Nill, Allvin got 3

3 is the typical number yes. I don’t think there would be any questioning of the term if it was 3 years. Even Treliving always signed 3 year deals from 14-17, 17-20, 20-23

[FlamesAddiction]

He probably should have been signed to a full 5 year contract 2 years ago when he was hired. I think 5 years is an appropriate term for a GM to implement a plan, make changes, and then have a fair evaluation. Considering the state of the team when Conroy took over, I don't think it was reasonable to expect 3 years to be long enough to judge. Not that I would expect the team to be a full on contender 5 years past his hiring date, but within 5 years the direction should start to materialize.

So all in all, I don't think a 2 year extension taking him to July 2028 is bad. At that point, if the team is showing progress, he should deserve a longer extension.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He probably should have been signed to a full 5 year contract 2 years ago when he was hired. I think 5 years is an appropriate term for a GM to implement a plan, make changes, and then have a fair evaluation. Considering the state of the team when Conroy took over, I don't think it was reasonable to expect 3 years to be long enough to judge. Not that I would expect the team to be a full on contender 5 years past his hiring date, but within 5 years the direction should start to materialize.

So all in all, I don't think a 2 year extension taking him to July 2028 is bad. At that point, if the team is showing progress, he should deserve a longer extension.

You have to take into account the fact he'd never been a GM before, so a show me contract was more probable when he first got the job.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

My god now we have moved onto the contract is too short. Hard to keep up with the latest upsets.

Reminds me of the posts that complain about a last place team not being rebuildy enough lol. The only concern I had with the Maloney interview was the Conroy part. Back to no concern until they do something stupid for me.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who else signed a 2 year deal?

Originally Posted by Inferno

What ChatGPT told me:

Apparently, Sweeney and Jim Nill.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Reminds me of the posts that complain about a last place team not being rebuildy enough lol. The only concern I had with the Maloney interview was the Conroy part. Back to no concern until they do something stupid for me.

same. The Maloney stuff made me question whether a Conroy extension was actually going to happen. To me, actions speak louder than words, so I'll just judge them by the moves that are actually made. Extending Conroy is a good first step.

[EVERLAST]

Craig needs to now be a little more ruthless.

I think he's too nice a guy to just simply be as involved as he has been since day 1 of his tenure with the Flames in its entirety.

Other teams such as The Golden you knows discard people almost immediately becsuse mediocrity ain't happening there.

Bill Zito doesn't F around either . All the top teams have moving pieces constantly trying to improve with almost zero loyalty to players, staff etc.

I honestly believe CC needs more runway . Way more. And without having someone like Maloney around rebiggling in his business. Isn't that why we brought in and have staff who aren't named Don .

Seriously. His resume doesn't inspire anything giving me other than montazumas revenge and alot of rectal discomfort.

Wow . How does he have a job unless somone above is pulling the puppet strings and the puppeteer needs to Seriously re evaluate his passion, position as i just dont get it.

We've so much going on here now it blows my mind that we'll simply piss away the potential opportunity we have .

- New building
- Wranglers finally here
- Craig Conroy
- depth in the cupboards-- future and near development
- current scouts and most of our staff

Yeah. On ice performance isn't great but what's the actual message behind the scenes?

Seriously. What a cluster F of an interview and NO I won't let it go . Don needs to be gone!!!

#### circle back and get senile old Burke back in here to be Pres of hockey OPs

This is as painful as back in the day hearing about the Flames front office when Al McNeil // Coates was around and things weren't great until certain ownership at the time stepped in stopped it and we moved on .

Please remember folks. Terry Crisp did NOT deserve thr credit for our Stanley Cup at all. Bob was the reason and if you ask any alumni they'll concur with that FACT.

No more middling mind-numbing theatrics behind the scenes. Let Craig Cook. Give him Hockey ops too or Brad Pascal gets that job . We've had amazing people here like Chris Snow who'll never be replaced who were far more valuable than people know.

Time to give more time and acknowledge the staff I see doing great work behind the scenes with longer contracts

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Apparently, Sweeney and Jim Nill.

It looks like Nill might be a pending free agent right now as well?

Leafs fans frothing at the mouth

https://www.hockeypatrol.com/nhl-tea...unning-toronto

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am just going off history. I asked Burke the same question at a Luncheon he spoke at in 2017 when Treliving was a pending free agent GM why they hadn’t signed him but they did get that deal done as well which is pretty much what Burke had alluded to when answering the question. When Treliving left in 2023 his contract lapsed. It is not out of the norm for the flames to take this approach.

I blame lawyers. Knowing Edwards he probably gets a CNRL corporate lawyer to draw up the agreement after-hours.

[Robbob]

Majority of GM contracts aren't even publicly disclosed, so complaining about length of signing seems like just looking for something to complain about.

[Finger Cookin]

[Circa89]

So when is Conny going to weaponize all of our cap space. I've been waiting for 3 years and nothing.... $46 million in deadline cap space. I'm sure we can take something on and park it on the Wranglers in exchange for some picks... we need more that just savvy drafting to turn this ship.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Circa89

So when is Conny going to weaponize all of our cap space. I've been waiting for 3 years and nothing.... $46 million in deadline cap space. I'm sure we can take something on and park it on the Wranglers in exchange for some picks... we need more that just savvy drafting to turn this ship.

The value of cap space is drastically reduced. Treliving basically paid peak

[FanIn80]

Order of events:

1. Maloney speaking to the public about trade scenarios, direction of the franchise, etc. Topics generally discussed by GMs.
2. No extension for Conroy, nor any public discussion about an extension for Conroy.
3. Vote of confidence for coaching staff; no vote of confidence for GM.
4. Public and media backlash towards Maloney spanning multiple news cycles
5. Public and media support for Conroy spanning multiple news cycles
6. Two-year contract extension for Conroy

Conclusion:

Initial plan was to not extend Conroy, wether that was on the Flames' side or on Conroy's side is unclear; however, executive officers don't typically assume managerial functions or perform managerial duties unless a change is incoming. Public outcry and unanimous media support for Conroy is what led to this extension, which is further evidenced by the term only being two years. A one year term would have been too obvious, and a two-year term is middle ground between "show me" and "full confidence."

Remaining:

Not an ideal term, given the public suspicion of GM and boss not being on the same page, but it is what it is. What remains now is to see evidence of Conroy's level of autonomy. This should become clearer within the next month or two, as we look for pieces being shipped out and examine with the returns are.

That's all I have on this for now. I'm sure I've provided plenty of ammunition here for some of you to pick apart and "lol" at, but I'm committed to wanting to see this team I love become the most feared team in the league. I'm not interested in anything less than seeing the Flames being talked about the same way the Panthers were back in June. I want to hear things like "built for the playoffs," 'unstoppable," "this an absolute wagon of a franchise," etc.

Regardless of everything else, though, I am 100% relieved that at least Conroy is back under contract again. He's such a massive part of this franchise's history and bleeds red and gold every single day. As much as I selfishly want this team to be the pinnacle franchise of the NHL, I also want to one day see Conny in the Hall of Fame as a General Manager with multiple Cup wins under his belt.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't believe one should conclude that Conroy was not going to be extended, and it wasn't until the fans made noise that the Flames did a 180.


According to Francis, it was the plan all along.


According to Maloney, he wouldn't confirm nor deny anything - so people read into it what they wanted to.


I said a few days ago that I would be shocked if Conroy was not extended. Glad it is coming now, as it is a much needed breath of fresh air at the moment.

[dissentowner]

Conroy was always going to be extended.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Order of events:

1. Maloney speaking to the public about trade scenarios, direction of the franchise, etc. Topics generally discussed by GMs.
2. No extension for Conroy, nor any public discussion about an extension for Conroy.
3. Vote of confidence for coaching staff; no vote of confidence for GM.
4. Public and media backlash towards Maloney spanning multiple news cycles
5. Public and media support for Conroy spanning multiple news cycles
6. Two-year contract extension for Conroy

Conclusion:

Initial plan was to not extend Conroy, wether that was on the Flames' side or on Conroy's side is unclear; however, executive officers don't typically assume managerial functions or perform managerial duties unless a change is incoming. Public outcry and unanimous media support for Conroy is what led to this extension, which is further evidenced by the term only being two years. A one year term would have been too obvious, and a two-year term is middle ground between "show me" and "full confidence."

Remaining:

Not an ideal term, given the public suspicion of GM and boss not being on the same page, but it is what it is. What remains now is to see evidence of Conroy's level of autonomy. This should become clearer within the next month or two, as we look for pieces being shipped out and examine with the returns are.

That's all I have on this for now. I'm sure I've provided plenty of ammunition here for some of you to pick apart and "lol" at, but I'm committed to wanting to see this team I love become the most feared team in the league. I'm not interested in anything less than seeing the Flames being talked about the same way the Panthers were back in June. I want to hear things like "built for the playoffs," 'unstoppable," "this an absolute wagon of a franchise," etc.

Regardless of everything else, though, I am 100% relieved that at least Conroy is back under contract again. He's such a massive part of this franchise's history and bleeds red and gold every single day. As much as I selfishly want this team to be the pinnacle franchise of the NHL, I also want to one day see Conny in the Hall of Fame as a General Manager with multiple Cup wins under his belt.

Agree on the sequence, but not the conclusion. There's lots of info we don't know preceding your sequence. Plus Francis saying the deal has been agreed for weeks and that they wanted to announce when the team had momentum.

Old guy thinking, 'Let's not announce the extension while Conroy's team is sucking.' Probably worried that casuals would complain, 'why extend a guy who architected this last place team?'

Obviously, we know that's BS as he has done great with the mess he was handed.

Real learning for Flames, if they can learn anything, is give the fans more credit.

[Bingo]

I mean believe what you want to ...

But that's tinfoil hat level for me.

[devo22]

yeah I don't believe for a second that this sequence changed the outcome. I firmly believe that a deal for Conroy was always in the works, but that just raises more questions. Why the PR tire fire? Why let Maloney double down after the intermission interview? So many things that could - and should - have been handled differently.