[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I figured Stamkos was going to decline. TB saw it coming.

What a worse bullet dodged?

Stamkos or Lindholm?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Nothing is stopping teams from calling and asking anyway even if they aren't being actively shopped. Treliving would call teams all the time to check on a player's availability because you never know.

Regardless of Mahloney's interview everyone knows the situation the Flames are in and if given the right offer would consider trading their veterans who won't be around when the team is ready to compete.

Maybe, maybe not. Treliving is a bad GM and unusually active in that regard. Are many GM's other than Treliving spending their time and energy asking about players other teams are saying are not available (except maybe for a really high price)? I would guess not. Quite a few GM's are likely to just believe you when you say you're not selling.

Additionally, saying you might just hold on to your players is likely to drive down value of whatever you're selling.

The maximum trade value of a player is not the player himself, it's the player playing for you PLUS the player not playing against you.

If teams know Kadri, Coleman and Andersson are for sure going to be traded, most likely to other playoff teams, that means if you don't get them, they could go to teams you're facing in the playoffs. This is one big reason why bidding wars around trade deadline can go way beyond what a player is worth on his own.

When the Flames are saying "we might just not trade these guys", other teams are not gonna go "damn", and many are gonna go "that would be great actually".

It just removes any urgency and make teams feel like they can wait and see if other players become available, or just not make any moves because they feel good about how things are.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I would wait yeah. It really depends what the offer was, I guess no point guessing when I have no idea.

now we are on the same page

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Itse

Are many GM's other than Treliving spending their time and energy asking about players other teams are saying are not available (except maybe for a really high price)?

Who knows? I doubt all of them are waiting for teams to call them to tell them a player is available though.

It just removes any urgency and make teams feel like they can wait and see if other players become available, or just not make any moves because they feel good about how things are.

How urgent they are depends on how badly they want the player.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Who knows? I doubt all of them are waiting for teams to call them to tell them a player is available though.



How urgent they are depends on how badly they want the player.

As I said, that's not the only factor. If the player is going to be available anyway at a later day, that makes a trade a lot less urgent than of he is actively being shopped around and you know a competitor might snatch them before you do.

Creating a sense of urgency is pretty basic salesmanship, as is trying to create a bidding war.

[rollie619]

Well Pat Quinn would never call anyone, so that's the opposite end of the spectrum. Different generation though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

As I said, that's not the only factor. If the player is going to be available anyway at a later day, that makes a trade a lot less urgent than of he is actively being shopped around and you know a competitor might snatch them before you do.

Creating a sense of urgency is pretty basic salesmanship, as is trying to create a bidding war.

Saying “we really want to sell these players” doesn’t really add to the urgency though.

In reality it’s usually not like an auction like in that Moneyball scene. It’s just a long back and forth, sometimes for months. The goal not being to rip off the other side, just to get to a deal that works for both.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Itse

As I said, that's not the only factor. If the player is going to be available anyway at a later day, that makes a trade a lot less urgent than of he is actively being shopped around and you know a competitor might snatch them before you do.

Creating a sense of urgency is pretty basic salesmanship, as is trying to create a bidding war.

A Michelin salesperson would have a hard time creating urgency for summer tires at this time of year, no matter how good their salesmanship is.

[Vinny01]

32 thoughts column

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...their-future/?

1. One thing that makes me crazy is how organizations trip over themselves avoiding the word 'rebuild'. On some level, I get it because the word can be as radioactive as gold kryptonite to Superman. But you can walk yourself into trouble using a thesaurus, and my number one rule is, “Don’t pour gasoline on your own fire.” I’m still 1.5 credits shy of my English degree, but I’ve found a solution. Say either “we’re starting over,” or, “we’re making changes but we’re not tearing it all down.” Simple. For the rest of us, including myself, ignore the noise and watch what’s happening. If you really look at Calgary and Nashville, they have begun the process of change. The Flames are assembling a strong prospect group, and no matter what anyone says, won’t make short-term moves to save this season. If it’s a high pick, they will take it. They also believe that Dustin Wolf is too good to let them consistently hit rock bottom, and his start-of-season struggles were more of a blip than anything. (And shoutout to the NHL’s Friedrich Nietzsche, Devin Cooley, who almost lost his job but has played very well.

*Column came out before the extension was announced*

2. I’d be surprised if Calgary GM Craig Conroy, in the final year of his contract, is not re-signed. For one thing, I don’t believe head coach Ryan Huska is the only person in the organization to receive a recent extension, so the Flames are taking care of business. An executive from another team told me it’s not unheard of for conversations to slow down or halt when things are rough. Doesn’t mean it changes your long-term plans, but there is an allergy to reward when on-ice results go sideways. I don’t think Don Maloney should be fired for last week's comments. You just need to know the right time. A GM needs someone to manage up.

[Jay Random]

nvm