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Old 11-24-2025, 07:07 PM   #13921
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I'm aiming low here with the hope the Flames at the very least, trade Andersson.

Anything else is a pleasant surprise.
That’s a given. There is no other option
He is not resigning and they are not making the playoffs
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Old 11-24-2025, 07:09 PM   #13922
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So if they move Kadri and Andersson but not Coleman it's not a re-build? What the hell is it then?
Well you answered your own question. Trading 10 vets total in that scenario for prospects and picks is not a rebuild. Trading 11 might be until another veteran who should be traded is identified, once that happens we will have to worry about whether they are rebuilding.
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Old 11-24-2025, 07:24 PM   #13923
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They've already traded 7-8 notable vets in the last 2 years.

Whether they trade Kadri/Coleman or not does not negate the collection of very obviously rebuilding moves that they've already made.

Trading Rasmus is just icing on top of the rebuild/reset/rebrand/retool cake Conroy has already been cooking, whether the old dogs around him want to deny it or not.

This isn't a team that's been loading up the last 2-3 offseasons. They've done quite the opposite.

I don't know if Maloney has been off playing Bingo at the seniors centre since the Conroy hire or what, but he seems rather out of the loop on things.

Connie can just continue the good work he's been doing while they make up whatever cover story they decide on to placate season ticket holders.

It's a goofy way of going about it that opens them up to (and rightfully so) a lot of scrutiny, but actions speak louder than words. And I am fine with what's actually being done.

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Old 11-24-2025, 07:50 PM   #13924
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What’s somewhat unique about the flames is that, while they don’t have any elite top line players, they are full of players that are likely that “last piece” a contender would covet. Players like Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are the types of players that any team is looking for.

Andersson is pretty much the defence-equivalent of Brad Marchand. And he also has that swagger that every team wants right now. It’s a copy-cat league and everyone wants to be like Florida right now. He fits that persona while also being a skilled, legit top pair defenceman on a really low cap hit.

Coleman is the player every coach loves - great work ethic, plays a north-south game and is great defensively. He also has finish and has proven to elevate his game in the playoffs. His style of play translated really well to the playoffs.

Kadri is another North-south player that is a play-driving center. He’s essentially what would happen if you took Nathan McKinnon and turned down every stat on his profile down by 25-30%. Plays with intensity and pace. Has a cup and is a big game player.

All these guys are what contenders look for as that “last piece” that they couldn’t build through the draft or free agency. I hope they do end up being traded to embrace the rebuild and I also hope they get a haul for them. They are really good players that all teams should covet.
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Old 11-24-2025, 07:53 PM   #13925
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What’s somewhat unique about the flames is that, while they don’t have any elite top line players, they are full of players that are likely that “last piece” a contender would covet. Players like Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are the types of players that any team is looking for.

Andersson is pretty much the defence-equivalent of Brad Marchand. And he also has that swagger that every team wants right now. It’s a copy-cat league and everyone wants to be like Florida right now. He fits that persona while also being a skilled, legit top pair defenceman on a really low cap hit.

Coleman is the player every coach loves - great work ethic, plays a north-south game and is great defensively. He also has finish and has proven to elevate his game in the playoffs. His style of play translated really well to the playoffs.

Kadri is another North-south player that is a play-driving center. He’s essentially what would happen if you took Nathan McKinnon and turned down every stat on his profile down by 25-30%. Plays with intensity and pace. Has a cup and is a big game player.

All these guys are what contenders look for as that “last piece” that they couldn’t build through the draft or free agency. I hope they do end up being traded to embrace the rebuild and I also hope they get a haul for them. They are really good players that all teams should covet.
This is exactly right. And contenders typically don't trade for the "last piece" in mid-november. So this is where a fan base that has preached we need "patience" for a rebuild needs to be, you know, patient!
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Old 11-24-2025, 08:56 PM   #13926
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If Andersson, Kadri and Coleman are all traded this season, I would say it is burnt right down to the ground. I love Backlund, Huberdeau will be valuable, and Weegar will be invaluable, but sorry, that's what I call a complete scorched-earth rebuild.

I expect it, however.

The only that worries me is that Malone did speak about some of the same points as Conroy - the importance of the culture. Conroy kept saying: "You can't say that losing is ok, and then simply flip a switch and expect them to start winning."

While I do agree in principle that culture needs to be rebuilt, I do think it can come later.

The way I see a 'good rebuild" is this way:
  • Year 1 + 2: Trade out vets and sink lower in the standings. Flames 9th in getting Parekh, but last year trended up for some reason.
  • Year 3 + 4: Bottom-out and draft your 'star' franchise players
  • Year 5 + 6: Trend up, pick maybe in the top 10 again once (or twice) and start rebuilding your culture in this period.
I don't think it is a 'flip' of the switch. I think a proper culture change needs a few seasons to really take hold. I have seen this team flip-flop from looking like they are an organization with a winning culture, to the next season not being that at all. Jekyll and Hyde over the seasons, right? To me, this isn't a winning culture at all, but it just wasn't a lousy culture either.


At any rate, I consider this a fairly deep rebuild as it stands. Andersson is almost assuredly going to be traded, and he will both bring a nice haul in terms of assets, as well as I think it will flat-line this team. I also think Kadri and Coleman go as well, but I guess we will see. Either way, that's essentially scorched earth to me. Not much left at all.
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Old 11-24-2025, 09:04 PM   #13927
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Pospisil may never play a game again. Let alone for the Flames. I've heard nothing to indicate Pospisil is anywhere close to playing hockey.

The only name I'd be okay with trading that you listed is Sharangovich. Zary still has runway, Frost and Farabee are just getting going and playing good hockey. Capitalize on their play you say? Flames will also need cap moving forward and those two will fill that niche adequately.
I also prefer to trade Kadri/Coleman and have Frost and Farabee take over their roles. It's just that if you're not trading them, well then at least make some space in your top 9.
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Old 11-24-2025, 09:21 PM   #13928
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If I were to predict, Andersson and Coleman are traded this year. Probably at the TDL.

The others stay to mind the kids and they come, for the most part, from winning cultures. We don't need Calgary turning into Buffalo West. So you have leftover 30-and-overs with term (and good background stories to mentor the kids with too I might add):

Kadri who likes it here and has already established himself as a leader. Cup winner experience.
Huberdeau with immovable contract but doesn't let it impact his mentality or work ethic.
Backlund who is still effective in his role and likely wants to pull a Bergeron to retire a Flame
Weegar who came from the minor leagues, can probably still contribute in a top pairing role for another 3-4 years.
Like you read my mind with this post.

Agreed on Coleman and Andersson, seems clear that Farabee is here for a coleman protege. Oddly enough i bet Farabee has some of his better years later like Kadri.

Kadri I agree stays…… unless. Someone could get desperate or see it as the lasst piece and throw a kings ransom at CC. Likewise with frost, someone could get desperate because of position.

Dont really see anyone else having much value but you still have to ice a team.
Having Kuz come up and snag a place is a huge win. I had been down on him,solo and Poirier for not being able to solidify a role.

To me the end of the functional rebuild is to trade Andersson and Coleman. Only reason i exlude Kadri is unless an center comes back ( possible i suppose) we are back to using wingers. No i dont think kerins makes it as a center.
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Old 11-24-2025, 09:31 PM   #13929
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I think there are a few members here that would trade them all for nothing just to better the chance of a top pick. I think a poster recently said that they would give away Andersson just to get a better draft pick. That is terrible asset management.
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https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/199...323001880?s=20

Looks like the Canucks have put their vets on the market before the Flames. Wonder if this accelerates the flames plans to put Kadri, Coleman, Andersson on the market sooner rather than later to make sure they don't miss the boat on a strong return.
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This is exactly right. And contenders typically don't trade for the "last piece" in mid-november. So this is where a fan base that has preached we need "patience" for a rebuild needs to be, you know, patient!
The rebuild is nearly over any way. There's only two guys left to move out. Then just bring in a couple more Kadris and the rebuild is done.

2022 peak when the lineup was:

Gaudreau (rip ) - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Toffoli
Dube - Jarnkrok - Coleman
Lucic - Lewis - Ritchie

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - Gudbranson

Markstrom
Vladar

[Traded/Waived/Let Walk] [Still to be moved] [Probably not going anywhere]

Seems like nearly a full rebuild already but I suppose there's those that desparately need extra rebuilding so rebuilding the rebuild we must!
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Looks like the Canucks have put their vets on the market before the Flames. Wonder if this accelerates the flames plans to put Kadri, Coleman, Andersson on the market sooner rather than later to make sure they don't miss the boat on a strong return.
No one is trading for EP. Who else do that have who compares with the Flames guys?
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Old 11-24-2025, 10:35 PM   #13933
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Rasmus should have primo value, hoping they can get something substantial for him.

Coleman, if the offers are there, should be a no-brainer to move (maybe with retention). Kadri — probably comes down to all parties involved (player, management, ownership) coming to some sort of agreement, we'll see if that happens.

The interesting ones, to me at least, are that mid-aged cohort of Frost, Sharangovich, Farabee, and Zary:

Farabee — Signed thru 2028, UFA upon expiry. At that point the team probably still isn't in any sort of "win-now" mode and Farabee will likely want a deal that takes him into his 30s. Depends on how the wingers in the system develop but I wonder if you move him at that point in a similar manner to a Coleman trade.

Sharangovich — Don't see any rush to make a move here. Yegor is finally looking more settled in a consistent role and I think the best course of action is to let his contract elapse a couple more years before getting into the weeds. The contract doesn't look great right now, but as long as Yegor remains a 30-40 point guy at the very least, there should be a market for him eventually.

Frost — This one is interesting. UFA after next year, plays a premium position, having a decent year and finally developing some chemistry with Huberdeau and Coronato. I really wonder what comes of this at the draft. Do you see if you can flip him for a big return? Or do you try to get a long-term extension done? Only thing that gives me pause ... Frost will be 28 when any new deal starts. Still feels a little closer to Sam Gagner than Daymond Langkow for me. I think I'd trade him.

Zary — Another guy where there's no real rush because of the extra year on his deal AND the fact he'll be an old 26-year-old RFA upon expiry. Having a brutal year, no bones about it. Could see him being a secondary piece in a hockey trade. But I also wouldn't be in a hurry to give up on him. He's looked good on the Backlund line.

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No one is trading for EP. Who else do that have who compares with the Flames guys?

Garland and Coleman are close
Hughes is better than Andersson

Then it depends on what they want to do.

Boesser just resigned so he’s prolly not going anywhere
Debrusk could stay or go depending on what he wants
Sherwood if they want to capitalize on an above average season

Myers on Defence has value
M. Petty prolly not going anywhere
Ditto Horonek or whatever it’s called

Then one of the goalies would have value to teams like Edmonton, Detroit, montreal, Toronto, especially if it’s Demko who is make available and healthy.

Canucks could try and tank for McKenna or Verhoff as a Hughes replacement and then recoup alot of assets as well.
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No one is trading for EP. Who else do that have who compares with the Flames guys?
They have DeBrusk and Sherwood. That is the end of the list more or less of vets that would have any value. Maybe somebody gives them a 3rd for Myers.
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Garland and Coleman are close
Hughes is better than Andersson

Then it depends on what they want to do.

Boesser just resigned so he’s prolly not going anywhere
Debrusk could stay or go depending on what he wants
Sherwood if they want to capitalize on an above average season

Myers on Defence has value
M. Petty prolly not going anywhere
Ditto Horonek or whatever it’s called

Then one of the goalies would have value to teams like Edmonton, Detroit, montreal, Toronto, especially if it’s Demko who is make available and healthy.

Canucks could try and tank for McKenna or Verhoff as a Hughes replacement and then recoup alot of assets as well.
Garland is nowhere near the 200 foot player that Coleman is. Also highly doubt someone wants to pay him 6 million bucks a year until 2032 when he turns 36.

Only tradeable assets are DeBrusk and Sherwood.
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Outside of Hughes (who would likely be worth way more than anyone else in the trade market), I don’t think the Canucks have anyone teams would pay a 1st round pick for. I think they could squeeze some 2nd round picks for guys like DeBrusk, Chytil and Sherwood.

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Canucks have let other teams know they are willing to trade their vets. I wish we could do the same.
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Canucks have let other teams know they are willing to trade their vets. I wish we could do the same.
Can you share your wiretap files of Conroy's phone?
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And now we’ve blurred things. How many years of mediocrity is acceptable to you as part of team building? We know the answer is at least one year, how about 2? How about 5? How about 20?

To some extent flames are where they are because of mentalities like this. Maybe it’s like Cliff said, as long as the seasons tickets are selling and the beer is flowing, that’s success.
Why are you blaming Conroy for stuff that happened 15-20 years ago? What bad or short sighted move has Conroy made so far?
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