[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

This.
Would be great to hear the crowd make multiple chants regarding the state of this teams management (with the exception of Conroy) and its ownership.

“Sell the team”
“We want a new owner”
Etc…

That would not be great, and would not have much actual correlation to Maloney’s interview.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I really mind this response:



Don Maloney is a dottering fool.

He is wrong. There are no winning teams without top 3 picks in contributing roles. Most posters on this site know this, so why doesn’t the PHO?

This statement is the epitome of the Flames “head in the sand” managment.

So are you saying there are no difference makers in the history of the NHL draft that have been drafted outside of the top three? I don’t think what he said was wrong. If you look at all of the draft histories there are tons of difference makers littered about the first few rounds.

[Finger Cookin]

"We want a new owner" has terrible chant cadence. 2/10

"Sell the team" at least has a ring to it -- except you're chanting it at players, coaches, and executives who have no say in selling the team. Even if it makes the news and Edwards eventually hears about it, do you think he'd be like "Welp the fans have spoken"? 4/10

[Roko]

Sell the team, burn it down, we want Gavin

[Enoch Root]

DM: Well, Matthew Tkachuk was a pretty big difference-maker and he was drafted sixth. There's good players at the top of the draft. You don't have to be at the very bottom to get difference makers.

Yeah, sure, that's true. But what pissed me off about this statement was that it contradicted other statements. He talked repeatedly about being good again next year, about doing this quickly and getting the team back on track ASAP.

Okay, but while the bolded statement is true, you are much less likely to hit a homerun with the 20th pick than the 1st, so you're literally strategizing against your own goals.

This is an example of why I said it was contradictory and insulting. Any of the statements, on their own, are fine, but the message in the aggregate, was confused, inconsistent, and insulting.

[Finger Cookin]

"We want Gavin" would the cringiest chant in recorded human history

[TheScorpion]

I think a really good chant, if they're losing, would be "Boooooooooooooooooooooo"

[Goriders]

I watched the interview with Parker again to see if I missed something since everyone seemed to be so torqued up about it. I still don’t get why everyone is so upset. Nothing he said wasn’t correct.

Is it just that it wasn’t sugar coated or he wasn’t blowing enough smoke up people’s behinds? Do you really need that is my question.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, sure, that's true. But what pissed me off about this statement was that it contradicted other statements. He talked repeatedly about being good again next year, about doing this quickly and getting the team back on track ASAP.

Okay, but while the bolded statement is true, you are much less likely to hit a homerun with the 20th pick than the 1st, so you're literally strategizing against your own goals.

This is an example of why I said it was contradictory and insulting. Any of the statements, on their own, are fine, but the message in the aggregate, was confused, inconsistent, and insulting.

Which takes us back to why you don't send him out.

It's hard to hold a logic train between things you believe and know are true, and things you're allowed and not allowed to say.

Will almost always derail.

It did.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think a really good chant, if they're losing, would be "Boooooooooooooooooooooo"

I disagree.

Boo-ing is an attack on the players. This has nothing to do with the players, and in fact, I think they are doing a tremendous job of hanging in there.

Worst thing the fans could do, IMO.

Fans' anger is with management - if you want to express your anger, make sure it is directed at them, and not the players.

[Bingo]

I'd personally hold the chants against the team, mgmt and ownership until actual moves are made to suggest they are as completely misguided as their PR this week would suggest.

Or go with "Your PR ability sucks" because that's truly what's under fire.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, sure, that's true. But what pissed me off about this statement was that it contradicted other statements. He talked repeatedly about being good again next year, about doing this quickly and getting the team back on track ASAP.

Okay, but while the bolded statement is true, you are much less likely to hit a homerun with the 20th pick than the 1st, so you're literally strategizing against your own goals.

This is an example of why I said it was contradictory and insulting. Any of the statements, on their own, are fine, but the message in the aggregate, was confused, inconsistent, and insulting.

Did you actually find that interview insulting? Maybe I have a higher pain tolerance.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by liamenator

It remains baffling to me that they pulled Maloney from his closet office, where by his own admission he had been withering away waiting for the phone to ring, and handed him POHO.

Most of us hoped that he was just going to face of cleaning things up -- firing Sutter, hiring Conroy -- and then be put back out to pasture. But he's still hanging around. It's been clear for a while he does not have the chops for this role, and now they have an out. They should fire him before Christmas.

They probably won't do it, but as browna mentioned Murray has surely contemplated if not outright explored Shanahan's interest in the job that he almost took in 2013. I'm not sure it's going to appeal to him but maybe he's keen to get back in the game. If those conversations have been fruitful then it would make sense to wait on Conroy's contract. You let the new POHO make the call on the GM role.

The other scenario is that you "transition" Maloney into an advisory role and Conroy takes over as POHO with Pascall (or, God help us, Nonis) promoted to GM.

In either case, a change at POHO would signal to fans that Murray has signed off on granting full autonomy to Hockey Ops to tear this thing down as deep as they need to. They could message it however they want, but the actions would make it clear.

If, on the other hand, it's February and Maloney is still hanging around, Conroy remains unsigned, then we really are in nightmare scenario so many of us fear.

Edwards hired Burke when he realized that Feaster was an embarrassment. But I think he tired of such a strong personality in that role and the Burke parting was mutual.

I suppose it depends how bad things get but IMO he’s not inclined to hire a big name, strong willed and expensive POHO.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I disagree.

Boo-ing is an attack on the players. This has nothing to do with the players, and in fact, I think they are doing a tremendous job of hanging in there.

Worst thing the fans could do, IMO.

Fans' anger is with management - if you want to express your anger, make sure it is directed at them, and not the players.

I’ve figured out the team isn’t that good. I still find the games entertaining so I’m still watching. To not add the players into the mix of culprits responsible for their record is a bit misleading though.

It takes a full organization to be this bad. Owner, management, coaches, scouts, players. They all have to be pulling in the same direction to be this bad.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

HOT TAKE:
I generally see Maloney's comments as a nothingburger. Brendan Parker needed to kill an intermission time slot so a team executive was pressed into duty. Maloney rambled on with stream-of-conciousness. The organization has a set plan and I hope they are not swayed by the public reaction into making rash moves.

I agree with regards to the intermission interview. The fact that Maloney felt the need to do this follow-up with Francis is baffling.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think a really good chant, if they're losing, would be "Boooooooooooooooooooooo"

Then the org is confused thinking we want a winning team NOW.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I really mind this response:



Don Maloney is a dottering fool.

He is wrong. There are no winning teams without top 3 picks in contributing roles. Most posters on this site know this, so why doesn’t the PHO?

This statement is the epitome of the Flames “head in the sand” managment.

Except this kind of ignores what his point was, which was that they’re focused on drafting well, not drafting high, and that higher you draft the better it is, but nothing is guaranteed.

He acknowledges both the value of drafting as high as possible and how the “model” they want to follow involves drafting in the top 3.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Then the org is confused thinking we want a winning team NOW.

Exactly. Booing now is not a great indicator of a fanbase that will support a lot more losing as a rebuild unfolds.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

HOT TAKE:
I generally see Maloney's comments as a nothingburger. Brendan Parker needed to kill an intermission time slot so a team executive was pressed into duty. Maloney rambled on with stream-of-conciousness. The organization has a set plan and I hope they are not swayed by the public reaction into making rash moves.

That’s exactly how I felt about the Parker interview.

But it’s the Francis one that has been problematic for me. Not only did Maloney choose to double down, he did so in such an off-putting and condescending (towards fans) way.

I am usually pretty passive about my Flames opinions. I quietly observe and let the vocal minority do the complaining. I have generally been fine, leaning towards happy, with the direction of the team since Conroy took the reins.

This recent shift has me on the ledge.

Like most - I’m going to wait and see what actually happens before jumping. But it doesn’t feel good right now.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I watched the interview with Parker again to see if I missed something since everyone seemed to be so torqued up about it. I still don’t get why everyone is so upset. Nothing he said wasn’t correct.

Is it just that it wasn’t sugar coated or he wasn’t blowing enough smoke up people’s behinds? Do you really need that is my question.

This thread is about the Francis interview