[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The President of Hockey Operations speaking publicly about the team while the General Manager is in the final year of his contract with no public talk of extension. Francis even said that the requests were to speak with Conroy and the team's response was "no, Maloney will do the talking."

This is looking like a company who is about to replace a manager, not a company letting its manager manage.

I don't believe this is what's happening. But if it is, if Conroy is getting squeezed, and the old guard sentiment is siezing the ship, i will be done with them.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The President of Hockey Operations speaking publicly about the team while the General Manager is in the final year of his contract with no public talk of extension. Francis even said that the requests were to speak with Conroy and the team's response was "no, Maloney will do the talking."

This is looking like a company who is about to replace a manager, not a company letting its manager manage.

Honestly terrifying if this is the case.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

A few weeks ago I said it would be nice to hear some honesty from the flames to the fan base. Well here’s a million dollar question, was that actual honesty? Is ownership and management really this out of touch or is it just flame flavoured gaslighting?

After I said it would be nice to hear some honesty I was told by multiple boneheads to “judge them based on what they do”. Well they did this interview, so there you go to those donkeys who bothered to reply to me.

What an ugly look.

Why can't you post anything without being a complete asswipe?

[ComixZone]

Watch this all be 4D Chess. They plant Maloney out there with all this rubbish, only to then have Conroy speak next after the first trade and Conroy then says “we heard the reactions from our fans, and the mission was clear - we need young, high-end players because that’s what the league is built on”.

Flames management successfully positions the rebuild as “giving the fans what they want” when really, they just wanted to slow-play the rebuild and ensure the organization didn’t take heat for doing it.

…nah.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Honestly terrifying if this is the case.

As I said, I think Conroy is being kept at arms length to not get pulled into anything, since Craig likes to talk. Plus he can be the “good cop” down the road.

Maloney steps up play the “bad” messenger for this because he knows he gone this season/long before Conroy as they rearrange the executive and he’s soon to be out…so he’s fine to take the heat.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why can't you post anything without being a complete asswipe?

The irony here is not lost on me

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Self awareness, nice man good job.

Do you think this was the truth or do you think it was gaslighting?

That was sarcasm. There was even a warning in my sig.

I think it was meaningless BS, very badly delivered. I place no stock at all in anything any management person says to the media, unless they are directly addressing a move that has actually been made.

It's my considered opinion that Maloney should never be allowed near a hot microphone again, and moreover, he should follow Bean into the sunset. But I'm not going to judge the actions of the organization based on words when their words have proven time and again to be completely unconnected with those actions.

[jg13]

The casual fans are always going to be that. The casual fans that want to attend a weekend game as something to do with a friend or group regardless of how the team is playing. That's what happens when the Flames are the only ticket in town


The die hards will want to attend games if there's hope (a top pick) or exciting hockey. Neither are happening right now.


What Maloney said makes almost no difference to the casual fan but the die hards won't be happy about this interview. The die hards know this team doesn't have it to go on a run so why not appeal to them and embrace a new fresh direction before the building opens?

[traptor]

I get the vibe that CC has been managing up big time. Trying to get a rebuild going while selling it to ownership as staying competitive but getting younger and strong asset management.


Now with them in 32nd its coming to a head, and theres a bit of separation showing.


It is odd its Maloney doing these and CC with no contract.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That was sarcasm. There was even a warning in my sig.

I think it was meaningless BS, very badly delivered. I place no stock at all in anything any management person says to the media, unless they are directly addressing a move that has actually been made.

It's my considered opinion that Maloney should never be allowed near a hot microphone again, and moreover, he should follow Bean into the sunset. But I'm not going to judge the actions of the organization based on words when their words have proven time and again to be completely unconnected with those actions.

Many of their past actions do line up with the “Dallas model”. Not trading Andersson last year when a full on rebuild would have, given sky high prices for defenceman. I do believe them when they say that’s their goal, avoid drafting high while not making any additions and trade a few middling players when they won’t sign extensions.

Theres some nuggets of truth in what he’s saying. This team has been too incompetent for too long for it to all be lies.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Many of their past actions do line up with the “Dallas model”. Not trading Andersson last year when a full on rebuild would have, given sky high prices for defenceman.

They had a trade arranged for Andersson last summer, conditional on his re-signing with L.A., and he wouldn't do it.

I do believe them when they say that’s their goal, avoid drafting high while not making any additions and trade a few middling players when they won’t sign extensions.

Theres some nuggets of truth in what he’s saying. This team has been too incompetent for too long for it to all be lies.

What have they done that has been incompetent since Conroy became GM? That's who I'm judging on his performance, not the entire bloody history of the franchise under people who are no longer there.

[Table 5]

The best thing that could happen to this franchise right now is a nice 5-10 game losing streak.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Table 5

The best thing that could happen to this franchise right now is a nice 5-10 game losing streak.

Yes. But imagine the chaos if they go on a 5 game winning streak

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes. But imagine the chaos if they go on a 5 game winning streak

A much better and more entertaining option for sure, since I think what they do is the same in either scenario.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They had a trade arranged for Andersson last summer, conditional on his re-signing with L.A., and he wouldn't do it.

I’d like to quote a bonehead donkey for a minute:

“No action was taken this day. Nothing has actually changed.“


What have they done that has been incompetent since Conroy became GM? That's who I'm judging on his performance, not the entire bloody history of the franchise under people who are no longer there.

I’d say being in dead last while your boss admits to the public that your goal is playoffs. Unless your boss is GioforPM and doesn’t believe stats like points are important, it’s probably a complete failure.

There is too much stink around this teams long term performance, something needs to change. Hopefully it’s the owners once MurrBalls gets the valuation bump from the new arena.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I’d say being in dead last while your boss admits to the public that your goal is playoffs. Unless your boss is GioforPM and doesn’t believe stats like points are important, it’s probably a complete failure.

The drive-by against GioforPM shows that you wilfully refused to understand what he was saying in that conversation, which I remember, and participated in.

The goal of every team is to make the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup if they can. That's what the entire league is based on. For an executive of a team to say so is a complete nothingburger. What, you were expecting him to say, ‘Our goal is to lose games on purpose’? Nobody ever does that, and nobody buys tickets to see a team throw games.

There is too much stink around this teams long term performance, something needs to change. Hopefully it’s the owners once MurrBalls gets the valuation bump from the new arena.

You'd have to be an idiot to pay a billion-plus dollars for a small-market franchise that isn't allowed to relocate. I don't see too many idiots with that kind of money.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The drive-by against GioforPM shows that you wilfully refused to understand what he was saying in that conversation, which I remember, and participated in.

The goal of every team is to make the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup if they can. That's what the entire league is based on. For an executive of a team to say so is a complete nothingburger. What, you were expecting him to say, ‘Our goal is to lose games on purpose’? Nobody ever does that, and nobody buys tickets to see a team throw games.



You'd have to be an idiot to pay a billion-plus dollars for a small-market franchise that isn't allowed to relocate. I don't see too many idiots with that kind of money.

And when they can’t? As has been the case for the flames since the departure of Gaudreau and Tkachuk, this team has been a corpse on skates. But due to incompetence from all levels of management we are significantly further from the Stanley cup, especially since that is their stated goal. Incompetent all around.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And when they can’t? As has been the case for the flames since the departure of Gaudreau and Tkachuk, this team has been a corpse on skates. But due to incompetence from all levels of management we are significantly further from the Stanley cup, especially since that is their stated goal. Incompetent all around.

When they can't, tough titty. It's still the object of the game.

Would you pay $10,000 a year and up to watch hockey players lose on purpose?

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Fire Don chant at tomorrows game?

This.
Would be great to hear the crowd make multiple chants regarding the state of this teams management (with the exception of Conroy) and its ownership.

“Sell the team”
“We want a new owner”
Etc…

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

This.
Would be great to hear the crowd make multiple chants regarding the state of this teams management (with the exception of Conroy) and its ownership.

“Sell the team”
“We want a new owner”
Etc…

Oh, great. So who is this magical new owner that's going to appear out of nowhere and pull a billion dollars out of his back pocket to buy this mess?

If I have that kind of money and want to spend it on an NHL team, I'm going to pick one that's either in a better market, or can be relocated to one. The Flames are nailed to the spot for the next couple of decades.