Does anyone have any cheap and easy dumpster recommendations? And how does the billing on that work, is it a combo of time and weight?
I rented a bin from Anytime bin rental a couple months ago. 15 yard bin, 750 kg included for $295, then there was extra charge for additional weight and fuel surcharge. They took a $500 deposit when I booked it and promptly refunded the difference after they picked it up. There was an extra daily charge ($10) if I kept it longer than five days but we were done in 4 days.
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I'm going to be taking on a project to modernize my parents place by removing stucco ceiling throughout the house (a builder place from 1997, so no worry of asbestos). Here are my general steps and questions:
1) rent a festool (including the dust extractor with it) for the stucco removal.
- is it easy?
- is it relatively dustless with that combo?
- is taping the walls necessary?
2) apply the compound to the ceiling
- is there ready made compound or does this need to be mixed? Do I need specialty tools to mix it?
- what consistency does it need to be?
- is there any type of ceiling mesh that needs to be used akin to rebar with concrete to prevent cracking?
3) buy a set of skimming blades for smoothing out the ceilings. Skim.
- is the set linked a good idea? The Level5 brand but they're substantially more expensive
4) prime ceiling.
- what type of primer?
5) paint ceiling.
- presumably a flat paint that will match the wall colour?
With '90s texture, you may not even need a sander. I'd try wetting it and scraping it first. If it comes off easily with that, then there's no point in sanding it.
I had to sand mine, but that was '80s stuff that had been painted, so there was no other option. I ended up just buying a cheap drywall sander and using Festool paper; it worked fine.
But to answer your questions:
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1) rent a festool (including the dust extractor with it) for the stucco removal.
- is it easy?
- is it relatively dustless with that combo?
- is taping the walls necessary?
Pretty easy in terms of skill required, but absolutely brutal physically holding a machine above your head for that long. I just did it in 5-10 minute sessions; luckily it goes pretty quickly with good sandpaper. Though the Festool can be used with a harness which would make it far easier.
In terms of dust, it was almost totally dustless even with my cheap machine and I imagine the Festool would be better. And not sure what you mean by taping the walls (whether you mean protecting them or drywall taping them), but I was painting the walls too, so I didn't worry about protecting them and corner taping wasn't necessary, as it was already done. The sander won't necessarily get right up to the edge though, so you'll need to do some handwork. And again, if you can do it without sanding, that's what I'd do.
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2) apply the compound to the ceiling
- is there ready made compound or does this need to be mixed? Do I need specialty tools to mix it?
- what consistency does it need to be?
- is there any type of ceiling mesh that needs to be used akin to rebar with concrete to prevent cracking?
You'd use premixed compound, probably all purpose, as that has a good combo of strength and sandability. If you just need to do really thin coats of mudding, then finishing mud is even easier to sand. Either way, you'd just add a bit of water to the premixed mud to make it more workable. You want it to be thin enough to spread easily, but not so thin that it falls off the ceiling as you're putting it on. You'll figure it out pretty quickly.
And no, you don't need to do any mesh or anything like that normally. The ceiling should already be properly taped and plenty strong. But fair warning, the reason they texture the ceilings is usually so they can get away with poorer finishing practices up there. So you may remove the texture and see a some things that need attention before you tackle the skim coat.
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3) buy a set of skimming blades for smoothing out the ceilings. Skim.
- is the set linked a good idea? The Level5 brand but they're substantially more expensive
I don't have direct experience with those. My ceiling was actually in really good shape so I was able to get by with a couple of very thin coats with a 12" knife and it looked great. But those would probably work great, there's not a whole lot to them.
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4) prime ceiling.
- what type of primer?
You can use PVA primer (it's designed for new drywall/mud) but it's a bit hokey. A step up from that would be something from Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams, just make sure it'll work over fresh drywall. I think I used SW Premium Wall and Wood?
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5) paint ceiling.
- presumably a flat paint that will match the wall colour?
A matte white paint is pretty standard for ceilings other than in kitchens and bathrooms (a higher sheen there helps with cleaning), but obviously you can do any color you want. And a lower sheen helps hide imperfections, so that's why they usually use that in most living areas.
With '90s texture, you may not even need a sander. I'd try wetting it and scraping it first. If it comes off easily with that, then there's no point in sanding it.
I had to sand mine, but that was '80s stuff that had been painted, so there was no other option. I ended up just buying a cheap drywall sander and using Festool paper; it worked fine.
But to answer your questions:
Pretty easy in terms of skill required, but absolutely brutal physically holding a machine above your head for that long. I just did it in 5-10 minute sessions; luckily it goes pretty quickly with good sandpaper. Though the Festool can be used with a harness which would make it far easier.
In terms of dust, it was almost totally dustless even with my cheap machine and I imagine the Festool would be better. And not sure what you mean by taping the walls (whether you mean protecting them or drywall taping them), but I was painting the walls too, so I didn't worry about protecting them and corner taping wasn't necessary, as it was already done. The sander won't necessarily get right up to the edge though, so you'll need to do some handwork. And again, if you can do it without sanding, that's what I'd do.
You'd use premixed compound, probably all purpose, as that has a good combo of strength and sandability. If you just need to do really thin coats of mudding, then finishing mud is even easier to sand. Either way, you'd just add a bit of water to the premixed mud to make it more workable. You want it to be thin enough to spread easily, but not so thin that it falls off the ceiling as you're putting it on. You'll figure it out pretty quickly.
And no, you don't need to do any mesh or anything like that normally. The ceiling should already be properly taped and plenty strong. But fair warning, the reason they texture the ceilings is usually so they can get away with poorer finishing practices up there. So you may remove the texture and see a some things that need attention before you tackle the skim coat.
I don't have direct experience with those. My ceiling was actually in really good shape so I was able to get by with a couple of very thin coats with a 12" knife and it looked great. But those would probably work great, there's not a whole lot to them.
You can use PVA primer (it's designed for new drywall/mud) but it's a bit hokey. A step up from that would be something from Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams, just make sure it'll work over fresh drywall. I think I used SW Premium Wall and Wood?
A matte white paint is pretty standard for ceilings other than in kitchens and bathrooms (a higher sheen there helps with cleaning), but obviously you can do any color you want. And a lower sheen helps hide imperfections, so that's why they usually use that in most living areas.
Man, that's awesome, thank you! A couple follow up points:
- re: taping, I was referring to the adjacent walls that you didn't want touched. To me taping is such a pain! So many videos seemed to have surrounding walls completely taped off. I suppose if it's dustless there really is no need to. When it comes to doing the compound rolling I guess I'd take my time to avoid getting it on nearby walls.
- re: using a knife to get it off, it's a fairly large home so I don't think that would be the most viable. Fortunately the edges have a flat border so I should be fine there.
- re: colour, I'm aiming to paint the walls the same colour as the ceiling. I may have someone come in and change the existing lights to potlights before I start this, but that's another story.
- re: tool used, what was the cheap sander you used? And what dust extractor? Those seemed to be key from the videos I watched. There's a Bosch one for <$400 on sale on amazon, but I'd need to get an extractor too, which is why I'm thinking I'll just rent from facebook marketplace.
I'm going to be taking on a project to modernize my parents place by removing stucco ceiling throughout the house (a builder place from 1997, so no worry of asbestos). Here are my general steps and questions:
1) rent a festool (including the dust extractor with it) for the stucco removal.
- is it easy?
- is it relatively dustless with that combo?
- is taping the walls necessary?
2) apply the compound to the ceiling
- is there ready made compound or does this need to be mixed? Do I need specialty tools to mix it?
- what consistency does it need to be?
- is there any type of ceiling mesh that needs to be used akin to rebar with concrete to prevent cracking?
3) buy a set of skimming blades for smoothing out the ceilings. Skim.
- is the set linked a good idea? The Level5 brand but they're substantially more expensive
4) prime ceiling.
- what type of primer?
5) paint ceiling.
- presumably a flat paint that will match the wall colour?
Thanks.
I’ve never done this job, but when I get an opportunity to share a video by this guy I’ll take it. I like how he explains things in detail, give options, etc… also he’s Canadian so you can easily find the stuff he uses
Man, that's awesome, thank you! A couple follow up points:
- re: taping, I was referring to the adjacent walls that you didn't want touched. To me taping is such a pain! So many videos seemed to have surrounding walls completely taped off. I suppose if it's dustless there really is no need to. When it comes to doing the compound rolling I guess I'd take my time to avoid getting it on nearby walls.
- re: using a knife to get it off, it's a fairly large home so I don't think that would be the most viable. Fortunately the edges have a flat border so I should be fine there.
- re: colour, I'm aiming to paint the walls the same colour as the ceiling. I may have someone come in and change the existing lights to potlights before I start this, but that's another story.
- re: tool used, what was the cheap sander you used? And what dust extractor? Those seemed to be key from the videos I watched. There's a Bosch one for <$400 on sale on amazon, but I'd need to get an extractor too, which is why I'm thinking I'll just rent from facebook marketplace.
I wonder if it might be made easier to entertain the idea some drop ceilings. It looks like some of the options are pretty decent now, and not like the sad styrofoam ones you see in old offices or basements.
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I’ve never done this job, but when I get an opportunity to share a video by this guy I’ll take it. I like how he explains things in detail, give options, etc… also he’s Canadian so you can easily find the stuff he uses
Man, that's awesome, thank you! A couple follow up points:
- re: taping, I was referring to the adjacent walls that you didn't want touched. To me taping is such a pain! So many videos seemed to have surrounding walls completely taped off. I suppose if it's dustless there really is no need to. When it comes to doing the compound rolling I guess I'd take my time to avoid getting it on nearby walls.
- re: using a knife to get it off, it's a fairly large home so I don't think that would be the most viable. Fortunately the edges have a flat border so I should be fine there.
- re: colour, I'm aiming to paint the walls the same colour as the ceiling. I may have someone come in and change the existing lights to potlights before I start this, but that's another story.
- re: tool used, what was the cheap sander you used? And what dust extractor? Those seemed to be key from the videos I watched. There's a Bosch one for <$400 on sale on amazon, but I'd need to get an extractor too, which is why I'm thinking I'll just rent from facebook marketplace.
Rent from Facebook Marketplace? Do you mean buy it and sell later? Why not rent from Home Depot or another rental place and get a good one?
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This is a bizarre question. Might be taking in a billet kid who’s previously billets want him out due to personal stuff. We have a developed basement but might be nice to add another room since my kid is in the other one down there.
Is there a contractor who could as soon as possible chuck up a wall, drywall, paint and door? I wouldn’t even know where to ask?
Rent from Facebook Marketplace? Do you mean buy it and sell later? Why not rent from Home Depot or another rental place and get a good one?
Home Depots have a different brand. Festool is among the best and the people around me have the tool and the extractor for about $75 per day.
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I’ve never done this job, but when I get an opportunity to share a video by this guy I’ll take it. I like how he explains things in detail, give options, etc… also he’s Canadian so you can easily find the stuff he uses
Thanks. Some really good tips there. Came across that guy years ago. He’s apparently from the Ottawa area fwiw.
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I wonder if it might be made easier to entertain the idea some drop ceilings. It looks like some of the options are pretty decent now, and not like the sad styrofoam ones you see in old offices or basements.
This is a bizarre question. Might be taking in a billet kid who’s previously billets want him out due to personal stuff. We have a developed basement but might be nice to add another room since my kid is in the other one down there.
Is there a contractor who could as soon as possible chuck up a wall, drywall, paint and door? I wouldn’t even know where to ask?
A basement bedroom might have some building codes that need to be adhered to. It may be less hassle to put him on a futon or pull-out sofa in th basement, if it’s short-term.
A basement bedroom might have some building codes that need to be adhered to. It may be less hassle to put him on a futon or pull-out sofa in th basement, if it’s short-term.
It’s not short term. I didn’t think about that. He needs out asap. So ####ing around figuring out.
It’s not short term. I didn’t think about that. He needs out asap. So ####ing around figuring out.
To meet building code requirements there will need to be proper secondary means of egress from within the bedroom. So a 'proper' escape window. There will be other things like smoke detector in bedroom and smoke and Co outside room, but those are easy fixes. The window not so easy, assuming it doesn't exist.
Man, that's awesome, thank you! A couple follow up points:
- re: taping, I was referring to the adjacent walls that you didn't want touched. To me taping is such a pain! So many videos seemed to have surrounding walls completely taped off. I suppose if it's dustless there really is no need to. When it comes to doing the compound rolling I guess I'd take my time to avoid getting it on nearby walls.
Yeah, if you're not painting the walls, you'd want to protect them somehow.
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- re: using a knife to get it off, it's a fairly large home so I don't think that would be the most viable. Fortunately the edges have a flat border so I should be fine there.
It depends how easily it comes off. Some stuff, you spray it with water, wait a minute or two, and it'll come off as fast as you can slide a drywall knife. It'd be way easier and faster than sanding.
Most isn't that easy, but I'd test a spot to check first.
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- re: tool used, what was the cheap sander you used? And what dust extractor? Those seemed to be key from the videos I watched. There's a Bosch one for <$400 on sale on amazon, but I'd need to get an extractor too, which is why I'm thinking I'll just rent from facebook marketplace.
I used a cheap Wen one, I think it's about $215 on Amazon. It's not nearly as refined as the better ones, but it did the job. I went room by room in my place, so renting wasn't really an option and I didn't want to spend a bunch on a tool I might never use again.
For an extractor, I just used a Rigid shop vac with a cyclone separator (Oneida Dust Deputy) to keep the dust from clogging the vacuum's filter. A proper extractor with bags would be even better, but I just used what I already had on hand.
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