[News] The Athletic - NHL Owner Rankings - Murray Edwards 30th

[PepsiFree]

For better or worse, I truly think the Gaudreau/Tkachuk situations changed the contract landscape across the NHL and will remain changed for a long time. Regardless of whatever the right thing to do was, it was a hard lesson, and I think it’s a huge reason so many young players are signed to monster long term deals paying for expected future performance, rather than current performance.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For better or worse, I truly think the Gaudreau/Tkachuk situations changed the contract landscape across the NHL and will remain changed for a long time. Regardless of whatever the right thing to do was, it was a hard lesson, and I think it’s a huge reason so many young players are signed to monster long term deals paying for expected future performance, rather than current performance.

I think they amended QOs to slightly ameliorate the Tkachuk situation as well, no?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think they amended QOs to slightly ameliorate the Tkachuk situation as well, no?

I can’t remember when the new calculations were brought in but that sounds right to me. If I remember correctly there were a couple similar situations where the last year base salary was much higher which skewed the QO.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Though I don't agree with how the argument is being presented, I do think it is important to manage your assets well (and doubly-so for a team like Calgary), even on good years.


For instance, we saw that last year - Colorado prioritized selling Rantanen. Carolina - who were unable to sign him - also prioritized asset management and re-sold him before the deadline.


You can argue that Colorado shot themselves in the foot as Rantanen was a big part of Dallas' ability to beat Colorado. However, who knows how far Colorado would have gotten with Rantanen? They just weren't comfortable in losing that asset for nothing, and neither were Carolina.


Calgary - who has much more difficulty attracting and retaining top talent - decided to roll the dice with Gaudreau. They got dispatched in the 2nd round, lost Gaudreau, ended up losing Tkachuk, and the rest is history. With hindsight, do you still do that move? Or do you pay Gaudreau a little more in the previous off-season, or simply trade him for what you can get? Plenty of people did disagree on here about walking Gaudreau to the deadline as it gives him all the power. Gaudreau exercised that power and went to Columbus.


Conroy said that would never happen again, and I certainly hope it never does. Either re-sign the player in the off-season before, or trade him. I hope that's essentially policy here in Calgary from now on. Treliving learned his lesson, and tried to trade Marner at the deadline last season, but Marner nixed it. Sure, maybe Rantanen wouldn't have extended (or Treliving got an answer from him/agent and he would? - guessing here). Even if Treliving wasn't sure about the extension, he still would rather sell on Marner who was clear about not re-signing, and bring in a guy who might.


I think losing Gaudreau for nothing was a massive pivotal moment in Calgary, and explains why the Flames are in this situation today. I get not trading him during the season - even though, I also disagree with it. Flames were having a dominant season, and were headed into the playoffs looking like real contenders. Other teams are not being as willing to do that, even with much better playoff success recently.


Losing a top 4D or middle 6 winger? Sure - that's an own rental. To lose a franchise-level player? That's a giant misstep that can send your organization down the tubes (and it really was the catalyst here for that in Calgary, no?).

[Jay Random]

I'm trying to think of a single instance where a team that was on top of the conference at the trade deadline traded their franchise player away at that moment.

I'm coming up completely blank.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm trying to think of a single instance where a team that was on top of the conference at the trade deadline traded their franchise player away at that moment.

I'm coming up completely blank.

Yeah trading Gaudreau at the deadline was never a plausible option.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame

Too bad Murray is only 65. Don't think the flames will ever get another cup with him owning them at this point. Complete tire fire for 30+ years. Feels like 50 years will be the total when this pos is finally no longer the owner!

the most relevant part of the conversation.

[Flamesfan05]

lol he is doing better than the team?

[Badgers Nose]

Has anyone suggested any other billionaires that might be candidates to buy the Flames and keep them in Calgary?

Or are we going to harness the mighty power of the proletariat to create some form of collective ownership? Would Murray take $1.5B? Probably not with the new building coming, but let's say he did. I'm sure lots of fans have an extra $100,000 to help us make up the number. Only need about 15,000 people to step up. LOL

And if we did, the new ownership (us) would be way more hands on and destructive than anything we've seen so far.

It would be a whole lot easier to just accept what we have and to be grateful that Calgary has a team, rather than calling for new ownership because this rebuild is not as scorched earth fast as we might want it to be, or that communications from the front office is pretty poor quality.

[FanIn80]

Where's Rob and Ryan when we need them!

[cam_wmh]

Frank can be a bit of a blowhard, but he's torching Maloney.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1993023193880383555

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Has anyone suggested any other billionaires that might be candidates to buy the Flames and keep them in Calgary?

Or are we going to harness the mighty power of the proletariat to create some form of collective ownership? Would Murray take $1.5B? Probably not with the new building coming, but let's say he did. I'm sure lots of fans have an extra $100,000 to help us make up the number. Only need about 15,000 people to step up. LOL

And if we did, the new ownership (us) would be way more hands on and destructive than anything we've seen so far.

It would be a whole lot easier to just accept what we have and to be grateful that Calgary has a team, rather than calling for new ownership because this rebuild is not as scorched earth fast as we might want it to be, or that communications from the front office is pretty poor quality.

Grateful, Lol.

Are you suggesting the Flames would have trouble with finding owners?

The Flames have had well over a dozen involved with Flames ownership in it's tenure. Seems its really only been the one with the terrible image, and overreaching involvement.

[Yanda]

Management/Ownership has kept the team in the Mushy Middle the majorty of the last 3 decades in hopes of cashing in for a few playoff home games. Its time for Fans to step up and let them know we have had enough of the mediocrity and to commit to the rebuild. The team doesnt need to be competitive in the new building right away so long as they have some developing stars for people to be excited about.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Yanda

Management/Ownership has kept the team in the Mushy Middle the majorty of the last 3 decades in hopes of cashing in for a few playoff home games. Its time for Fans to step up and let them know we have had enough of the mediocrity and to commit to the rebuild. The team doesnt need to be competitive in the new building right away so long as they have some developing stars for people to be excited about.

I agree with all this, but a lot of fans are seemingly fine with being in the mushy middle.

It's just a matter of what % of your fanbase really wants a change and how can we actually make them commit to a rebuild. I don't know the answer.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If Murray was the owner in some non hockey market he would rank 15th or something...I mean he losses points here for not spending to the cap but the biggest Murray haters would be losing their #### if the Flames were spending to the cap right now

I don't think not spending to the cap is an issue this year. The lack of an appetite to buy out a guy like Neal was a bit shortsighted IMO. Also the rumored reluctance to retain salary on trades until the last couple of years. I also question the previous budget on coaches, or bringing in a coach over the GMs head. Moreover the Flames didn't even have an AHL team for a spell, and some of the AHL locations were not ideal.

Finally, I didn't love how the Flames handled themselves around the arena negotiations. Including threats to move the team, and the unrealistic picking of the location and budget for Calgary Next. I think the city paid way too much.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I agree with all this, but a lot of fans are seemingly fine with being in the mushy middle.

Can you PLEASE stop saying stuff like this. No one wants to be in the mushy middle. Just because people don't agree with your specific ideas on how to get out of there, doesn't mean that's what people want the mushy middle.

Or better yet show me ONE POST where someone says they are "fine with being in the mushy middle."

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Frank can be is a bit of a blowhard, but he's torching Maloney

Fixed that for you.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Can you PLEASE stop saying stuff like this. No one wants to be in the mushy middle. Just because people don't agree with your specific ideas on how to get out of there, doesn't mean that's what people want the mushy middle.

Or better yet show me ONE POST where someone says they are "fine with being in the mushy middle."

I think the point here is to emphasize that now is the time to be more vocal as a fanbase of our disproval. Were a proud fanbase.. but proud of what? That we will try hard when we were never a true contender in the first place.

When he says "fine with being in the mushy middle." its really just satire that he wishes there was more of a vocal majority. In this case Quiet = Content with the situation.

There is nothing worse than having a a quiet majority that suffers of pride complex made by ownership to try squeeze into the playoffs an extra time each decade. "The Winning Culture" of last season is just propaganda from ownership to justify staying mediocre in hopes of a short playoff run for a small boost in revenue.

[BrownDrake]

I would imagine the Flames might make more money over the next few seasons tanking with a $75 million payroll than squeezing in and a first round exit with a $95 million payroll.

[musth]

It's not just that Edwards is a 4x billionaire, but several of the partner owners aren't doing too shab either. Anyone know their personal numbers in relation?

Point is, the FLAMES OWNERSHIP GROUP has lots of money. I was disgusted with the arena deal then, and also now with the meddling and potential for mushy middle going on 30 years just for those 2 playoff dates. What does that look like, 2 million a game or something (no idea) but its a pretty small drip addition to the bucket.

For all of them.

hahahahaha
https://grizzlybulls.com/billionaire...y-edwards?utm_