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Old 11-17-2025, 05:18 PM   #13001
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Trouba would have been a good target in retrospect.
Maybe. But he also was done with Canada. Wife is an American Doctor.
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Old 11-17-2025, 06:13 PM   #13002
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Ok. But still, Marner had been in the league 10 years and under several coaches. Not sure what evaluating is needed. And then to think that they were willing to hand total control to Marner and risk him leaving for nothing... wooof.

There was no evaluation needed. If Treliving wanted to trade Marner, he had about a month to come up with a deal. Dubas had likely not laid any groundwork in that direction at all.


And the story is, unconfirmed of course, that Shanny told Treliving that trading Marner before his NMC kicked in was off the table.
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Old 11-17-2025, 09:38 PM   #13003
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The solution wasn't trading Marner.

It was defending him more and actually re-signing him.

Had they offered him a big extension July 1 2024 he would have likely taken it. But the organization was scapegoating him a bit and didn't want to commit an extension to him then.

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Old 11-17-2025, 09:41 PM   #13004
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This may indeed be a good plan for a big market team that has actually won something or had some level of sustained success, it's too bad that's nowhere close to what we are. When you’re in an undesirable market it's not traditionally a great business decision to ship out people who for whatever reason desire to be in your market. The Flames don’t have the level of organizational success necessary to be ruthless in their treatment of players.
If Coleman and Kadri were 29 years old then sure.

But they are 34 and 35 years old, in 5 years when the team is ready to contend I don't think them being here now is going to matter.

You treat them well and try to take their considerations on where they want to be traded to into the equation.

But keeping them in Calgary at this point because they want to be here provides no real benefit and it's not being ruthless of the organization to understand that.
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The wizard is also very good at spreading rumors blaming others and how much he works and how he is involved in every deal
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Old 11-17-2025, 11:35 PM   #13006
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So is Burke saying Kadri would have to approach the Flames? Or that they would have to ask him?

Either way, his opinion seems to be that it is up to Kadri.
It was an odd segue for sure. My guess, and only a guess, is Burke is saying that in his opinion, Kadri would have to first approach the Flames to say he is now open to a trade, but the Flames would have to ask him where he would be okay being traded to.
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Old 11-17-2025, 11:41 PM   #13007
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Hopefully it's partly Burke doing CC a favor.

Putting it out there that Kadri is happy to stay in CGY and the Flames are happy to keep him, that way other GMs know they better come with a serious offer if they want to get the player. It's probably true for the most part, but I'd imagine CC would love to be able to maximize the asset given the Flames current state.
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I have a feeling that conversation has already been had between the management and Kadri.
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I don't think that's Burke doing the organization a favour.

Steinberg and Francis have been saying for two weeks now that the only way the Flames move Kadri or Coleman this season is if they ask for a trade.

Which I really hope is just media talk and the Flames organization isn't that short sighted and foolish.
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Old 11-17-2025, 11:57 PM   #13010
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I get that calgary isn't a huge market but I dont think the flames need to act like there aren't 22 players out there who wouldnt want to be on an nhl roster in Calgary if the pay is there.

Nevermind the fact that they simply paid coleman and kadri more than anyone else would in free agency. These aren't home grown stars who took a discount. The market for kadri collapsed and he was left on the market late, and no one else was paying 5 million a year for coleman on a long term deal when the cap was that low.

Going all the way back to brouwer the flames have had to overpay ufas.. and so there should be no extra loyalty to these guys out of acting desperate. Move them for assets and build a good team by drafting a new core.

Look at edmonton, easily the worst place to live in the nhl with winnipeg and they attract free agents to an extent because they are competitive and have a nice building.

New building is coming, time to move out some vets and build a new team. You pay the most money for a ufa in 2, 3, 4 years and they'll still come here even if you trade Coleman.
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Not a single player in the league would see an issue with trading Kadri and Coleman when the team is in last place, about to miss playoffs for the 4th year in a row, and is rebuilding. That's how the business works. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Would like to believe that all these statements are to drive up the price of Kadri and Coleman but I think it’s more likely we can take what has been said at face value. Dreger’s comment about ownership wanting to keep Kadri, Burke’s comment on Kadri, etc. I think Conroy will need a really, really good offer to approach Kadri for a trade. That’s not a bad thing I guess but if the price is so high that there’s virtually no team that will pay it, it’s likely not in the cards this year.

For example:

Hypothetically, if Detroit offered Nate Danielson + 2026 1st round pick (top 5 protected) + 2026 2nd round pick for Kadri… and that wasn’t enough for the flames to make the trade, I would take that to mean Kadri will not be traded at peak value since I can’t see his value being higher than that from this point forward. That’s a completely random trade package of course. I’m no insider and I have no idea if the flames would make that trade or not. Just coming up with a trade package similar to the Nelson return from last year that was probably one of the heaviest futures for veteran trade we have seen (A-level centre prospect + 1st round pick + 3rd round pick).

Sec or Royle - do you have a sense of what specific returns would be needed for the flames to trade Kadri? Sounds like for Toronto it would require Knies so that’s an example of a trade for Kadri that is just not going to happen with that team. The price is so high for them that it essentially kills the trade. And I’m fine with that in the instance of a team like Toronto who has so few valuable assets to trade.

Everyone has their price though. So what is it for the flames to trade Kadri? Is it pretty much the same case with other teams as it is with Toronto? i.e. with every team that calls asking for Kadri, is the asking price instantly their top young NHL player that’s projecting to be a star in the NHL? Because teams just don’t make that trade for any player - let alone a 35 year old.

I’m always a little concerned when you hear that teams only want young, established NHL players in trade. Simply because those are the assets contending teams are least likely to trade and, if they are, it’s usually because those players have a low ceiling. With how well this team has drafted, I think I would prefer to just focus on high quality picks and high quality prospects instead of trying to pry away young 3rd line centers from teams (eg. Bourque from Dallas).
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I don't think that's Burke doing the organization a favour.

Steinberg and Francis have been saying for two weeks now that the only way the Flames move Kadri or Coleman this season is if they ask for a trade.

Which I really hope is just media talk and the Flames organization isn't that short sighted and foolish.
I remember last year when those same media types were saying that Conroy was willing to spend prime assets for a center under the age of 23. Good times.
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I don't think that's Burke doing the organization a favour.

Steinberg and Francis have been saying for two weeks now that the only way the Flames move Kadri or Coleman this season is if they ask for a trade.

Which I really hope is just media talk and the Flames organization isn't that short sighted and foolish.
Well, neither has an expiring contract, so could be moved next year. Unless someone wants to make an offer they cannot refuse. They might just be postering.
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I remember last year when those same media types were saying that Conroy was willing to spend prime assets for a center under the age of 23. Good times.
I think he would have, Conroy himself said that in the media.

But no teams move centers under the age of 23 that have top 6 potential.

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Well, neither has an expiring contract, so could be moved next year. Unless someone wants to make an offer they cannot refuse. They might just be postering.
Do we need to keep repeating the same mistakes?

Dont wait to move Coleman like you did Andersson and Hanifin. The market is reportedly really hot on the player this season, it's a sellers market, there is no reason to wait until next year becasue of the culture or something.
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Do we need to keep repeating the same mistakes?

Dont wait to move Coleman like you did Andersson and Hanifin. The market is reportedly really hot on the player this season, it's a sellers market, there is no reason to wait until next year becasue of the culture or something.
This is one of the things I am most anxious/excited about. Will the Flames take advantage of the sellers market? I don’t think Coleman will have more value next year at the deadline than he will this year. Kadri is 36 next year and if he only gets 45pts this year and slow starts next year he could be tough to move let alone get the value being discussed now.

I am all for blowing this team up. The only vet I would want to keep for sure this year is Weegar. Wolf and Coronato are guys I am keeping as well but if people want to call on Frost, Sharangovich, Farabee, Hanley, etc then the flames should be looking at all of it.
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I remember last year when those same media types were saying that Conroy was willing to spend prime assets for a center under the age of 23. Good times.
I heard rumours that the media reported the Flames wanted to sign/keep Lindholm, Tanev, and Hanifin but then in a very unexpected turn of events they were all traded.

I heard that one of those players even came out after he was traded and said he was always willing to stay but the Flames moved him anyway.
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The wizard is also very good at spreading rumors blaming others and how much he works and how he is involved in every deal
I think he's in on every deal, most media have supported that.

I also think the man must have run over your cat.
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I think he would have, Conroy himself said that in the media.

But no teams move centers under the age of 23 that have top 6 potential.



Do we need to keep repeating the same mistakes?

Dont wait to move Coleman like you did Andersson and Hanifin. The market is reportedly really hot on the player this season, it's a sellers market, there is no reason to wait until next year becasue of the culture or something.
I haven't seen one rumour to this effect. It's this board that is hot to move him. Me too, but that doesn't mean there are a bunch of offers Conroy is sitting on.
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I think he's in on every deal, most media have supported that.

I also think the man must have run over your cat.
No, but he was probably in on it.

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