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Old 11-15-2025, 01:26 PM   #12661
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Knies is the best player in the deal. Not sure why that is in question.
He will be in a couple years. Kadri is still a better player, in a more important position.
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Old 11-15-2025, 01:45 PM   #12662
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He will be in a couple years. Kadri is still a better player, in a more important position.
Last season but this year Knies is on pace for 100pts and Kadri is on pace for 47
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He will be in a couple years. Kadri is still a better player, in a more important position.
I'm worried about Knies and the concussion history but Kadri isn't a better player than him at this point. Then add the fact that they are basically at the opposite ends of their careers, the value of Knies is much, much higher.
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Old 11-15-2025, 02:04 PM   #12664
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Last season but this year Knies is on pace for 100pts and Kadri is on pace for 47
Knies plays on a line with Matthews (until his injury when it became Tavares) and Nylander.

Kadri has had a ton of linemates, most commonly the famously snakebitten Farabee.

Kadri is still the better player overall right now. Plus he's a centre.
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Old 11-15-2025, 02:07 PM   #12665
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I'm afraid that the Flames system would Neuter Knies. Knie cap his production so to speak. Take his numbers out at the knies....

Okay I'm done.
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Old 11-15-2025, 02:10 PM   #12666
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I'm afraid that the Flames system would Neuter Knies. Knie cap his production so to speak. Take his numbers out at the knies....

Okay I'm done.
That seems like a bit of a Knie jerk reaction
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Old 11-15-2025, 02:14 PM   #12667
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Leafs media and fan trade proposals (if you ever looked at CapFriendly armchar GM proposals) were all about 90% Leafs fans and never, ever made sense.

They always give up a plethora of junk, but then get back the best player or more 9 out of 9 times.

Their fans are more delusional than oilers fans, honestly.
I get that every fanbase has homer opinions and obviously wants what's best for their team, but if you think Calgary is trading Andersson and Kadri and we don't even get back a 1st round pick nor top line player... I had to be the bearer of bad news.

Absolute insanity.
Domi - bottom 6 winger dont need
Robertson - They've been adding him to trade proposals for the last 3 years as fodder
Carlo - Probably still angry they gave up a 1st for this guy - He's not worth much
2nd - For EA 25 compatibility

Andersson and Kadri both of which the insiders have said would command at least a 1st on their own...

Yep... sure thing Brad.
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The whole Dreger talk wasn't seriously about having an expectation of including Knies in any trade talk. I took it as Toronto doesn't have any assets, and Calgary would therefore be asking for Knies, and the trade wouldn't get done. I guess we can all read into it differently, but that's how it sounded like to me.

Poking around the NHL, I think there are only a few teams that I think of will bust in the next few years. These are my candidates:

  • Oilers - good luck getting a first out of them 2 years down the road - at least not for the Flames. I am sure they will trade it by then, but I doubt it will be with the Flames (and if they do, I would hate to help them win a cup! yuck!)
  • Canucks - ditto
  • Pittsburgh - when Crosby retires, they immediately enter into a rebuild, but I don't think they have any interest in trade picks out.
  • Washington - with the way they have been drafting, I am not sure they end up bottoming-out
  • Lightning have an outside chance for me, but I don't think it happens for 4+ seasons still. Too many players in their late 20s to really bottom-out in the next couple of seasons.
  • Teams like Nashville are already at the bottom, and they won't be parting with high picks.
I see Toronto as the only potential team to grab a 1st from that could end up as a high pick. Still a gamble - Toronto can find a way to just hang-on and do what it can to float around the bubble for a couple of seasons in which they don't have their first round picks to avoid that ugly attention. I just see their 2028/29 pick more valuable than a 2026 or 2027 pick from a good team. It is a roll of the dice, but IMO, I think it is a good one. Andersson for 2028 conditional 1st + Cowan is a trade I could get behind. Hopefully it comes with a 2nd as well, or maybe Danford (meh prospect I think).


I might be willing to do 2028 1st + Carlo. Carlo is a UFA after next season, so if he is playing well here, maybe the Flames flip him next season for a 1st +? I prefer Cowan, but Carlo I think can hold good value too. It is all probably a pipe-dream, but it could end up as the trade that makes us forget the Phaneuf and even Gilmour deals a little more if it ends up working out that way.
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Old 11-15-2025, 02:17 PM   #12669
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Lebrun was talking about how as much as Kadri and Andersson are out their in rumours, that Coleman is probably the player that's garnered the most interest.

At the end of the day, if the Flames trade away 2 of the 3 (Andersson, Coleman, Kadri), I think that will have been a pretty productive year from a trades perspective. Yeah - they should move all 3, but I'd take it as a pretty big win as a Flames fan if 2 of the 3 go, and we acquire two more 1st round picks spread across the 2026 and 2027 drafts.
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Lebrun was talking about how as much as Kadri and Andersson are out their in rumours, that Coleman is probably the player that's garnered the most interest.

At the end of the day, if the Flames trade away 2 of the 3 (Andersson, Coleman, Kadri), I think that will have been a pretty productive year from a trades perspective. Yeah - they should move all 3, but I'd take it as a pretty big win as a Flames fan if 2 of the 3 go, and we acquire two more 1st round picks spread across the 2026 and 2027 drafts.
Agreed. All 3 makes the most sense… but 2 extra firsts would be huge. I’d love to move one before December to make their plan clear…
I am so worried they will go on a run and ruin this plan. That’s what always happens.
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Lebrun was talking about how as much as Kadri and Andersson are out their in rumours, that Coleman is probably the player that's garnered the most interest.

At the end of the day, if the Flames trade away 2 of the 3 (Andersson, Coleman, Kadri), I think that will have been a pretty productive year from a trades perspective. Yeah - they should move all 3, but I'd take it as a pretty big win as a Flames fan if 2 of the 3 go, and we acquire two more 1st round picks spread across the 2026 and 2027 drafts.
I would agree but, just my guess, but I think we will see an Andersson trade and one of the LHS wingers traded as well (Zary/Farabee/Posposil).

I certainly wouldn’t be complaining if the did trade one of Kadri or Coleman but I think Stienberg has been ight in saying the Flames aren’t going to be actively pursuing a trade unless these guys go to them and say they’d like to be moved.
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Old 11-15-2025, 03:00 PM   #12672
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For myself it all boils down to fit.

Kadri fits the best in Montreal.
Ras fits the best in Dallas.
Coleman could play anywhere in the league and have success. He is versatile enough to play any role and do it well.

Montreal tends to be stingy in trades. Is it feasible that they trade us both Kapenen and a 1st for Kadri? Kapanen is a 22 year old RH C (can also play both wings). While he isn't flashy, Kapenen is lightning fast and provides very solid two way play. His potential is a dependable middle 6 centre who can net you 45 points a year and play both the PK1 and PP2. This would align with roughly what the Avs paid for Nelson.

For Rasmus, I would target both Hemming and a first. Hemming is also the same size as Kapenen (6'2") but is more of an offensively minded player. Currently playing in the O, he is almost at a 2 PPG pace as a 19 year old. With Rasmus added, Dallas virtually has no weaknesses, I fully expect that first to be very late in the first round.

Coleman really feels like a player that teams are going to line up for. Guy is the perfect vet for a playoff race (or two). I have no idea what the Flames can expect for value. Will Conroy be able to snag a first ?
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If they keep performing like they have the first quarter of the season, half the team will be lined up outside Conroys office.
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Old 11-15-2025, 03:02 PM   #12674
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Agreed. All 3 makes the most sense… but 2 extra firsts would be huge. I’d love to move one before December to make their plan clear…
I am so worried they will go on a run and ruin this plan. That’s what always happens.
It would surprise me if the Flames aren’t looking for a LHS D. I think they may value this as high, potentially higher, than additional first round picks. I’m sure they would love to get an additional pick in ‘26 or ‘27 but I also think they want players.
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If we're throwing out dream scenarios, I am hopeful that this ridiculous knies talk is enough for the canadiens to put Hage on the table for Kadri to win it.
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It would surprise me if the Flames aren’t looking for a LHS D. I think they may value this as high, potentially higher, than additional first round picks. I’m sure they would love to get an additional pick in ‘26 or ‘27 but I also think they want players.
Kuznetsov has looked great. Between he and Bahl we have some pretty solid lhd with reasonable growth potential. I hope they dont over-focus on this.
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Old 11-15-2025, 03:13 PM   #12677
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It would surprise me if the Flames aren’t looking for a LHS D. I think they may value this as high, potentially higher, than additional first round picks. I’m sure they would love to get an additional pick in ‘26 or ‘27 but I also think they want players.
If we’re trading with Montreal I wouldn’t mind somehow getting Engström out of it.
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Knies plays on a line with Matthews (until his injury when it became Tavares) and Nylander.

Kadri has had a ton of linemates, most commonly the famously snakebitten Farabee.

Kadri is still the better player overall right now. Plus he's a centre.
Kadri is the better player as long as you ignore points because teammates. Is this a joke? This has to be a joke, no one actually thinks this.
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Lebrun was talking about how as much as Kadri and Andersson are out their in rumours, that Coleman is probably the player that's garnered the most interest.

At the end of the day, if the Flames trade away 2 of the 3 (Andersson, Coleman, Kadri), I think that will have been a pretty productive year from a trades perspective. Yeah - they should move all 3, but I'd take it as a pretty big win as a Flames fan if 2 of the 3 go, and we acquire two more 1st round picks spread across the 2026 and 2027 drafts.
Makes sense. Kadri and Rasmus are attractive to teams with holes in their lineups at 2C or top 4 D. Coleman is attractive to good teams who want more depth. Not a single team couldn't envision a use for him.
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Knies plays on a line with Matthews (until his injury when it became Tavares) and Nylander.

Kadri has had a ton of linemates, most commonly the famously snakebitten Farabee.

Kadri is still the better player overall right now. Plus he's a centre.
You want to bet who will be the better player moving forward from today?
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