Toronto is no good

[Erick Estrada]

It's like he didn't learn from any of his mistakes in Calgary. Still way overpaying for depth players and trading high draft picks like they are nothing more than currency. I do think he would make a really good AGM that could work the phones and have some involvement in running a team. He just can't be the main decision maker as he's just too fixated on outdated team building ideology.

[Kidder]

I think overpaying for Kadri and/or Andersson will cure what ails them.

[McG]

No matter what he was in on every single deal.

I don’t think that he gets enough criticism for what he did to the Flames.

It’s with great hilarity that I note both the oilers and leafs are aging out with no incoming reinforcements.

[Vinny01]

How much is this Andersson tweet just a smoke signal to the fans that “Brad is working the phones”?

Leafs are slipping and might be the most desperate team to make a deal so I would be listening if I were Conroy and have the anvil ready

[dino7c]

Leafs don't have much of value left

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think TOR will make a hard push for Kadri because he's a known quantity to the organization and was a Treliving target twice before.

If matthews is out they'll get desperate for a C/scoring up front

I hope we take Bradley to the cleaners.

The laughs and coilers capsizing over the next season or two is the best thing that could happen to hockey north of the border. Media needs to get up off their d###s and hype some other teams for a change.

I am sick of hearing about those awful organizations 24/7.

[Vinny01]

Other teams have much more to offer for Kadri and the Flames have the flexibility to trade him to 18 different teams.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Other teams have much more to offer for Kadri and the Flames have the flexibility to trade him to 18 different teams.

Toronto might be the funniest one though, and that’s certainly worth SOMETHING

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Other teams have much more to offer for Kadri and the Flames have the flexibility to trade him to 18 different teams.

Matthews is signed until 2028... I'll take the bet that by -29 their 1st is a high pick, and we could make a nice addition to our new young core while the Flames are already on the rise.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Itse

Matthews is signed until 2028... I'll take the bet that by -29 their 1st is a high pick, and we could make a nice addition to our new young core while the Flames are already on the rise.

When the hockey insiders on twitter and podcasts mention that teams are offering 1st+good young player + I just don’t see a deal headlined by a 1st 3.5 years away being what the Flames settle on.

Andersson is different he is a rental but I think Kadri is the best chip the flames have

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When the hockey insiders on twitter and podcasts mention that teams are offering 1st+good young player + I just don’t see a deal headlined by a 1st 3.5 years away being what the Flames settle on.

Andersson is different he is a rental but I think Kadri is the best chip the flames have

I wasn't that serious, obviously not gonna happen.

I do think it would probably be a good long term strategy to take a much more longterm view when trading for picks, but teams just don't do that.

[activeStick]

I think Treliving is a better GM than some on CP like to portray, but I get why people are upset with him and can't let go given the Flames current position.

I do feel that Tre leans into big, heavy teams, and while many seem to think that's outdated, I believe those teams are still the ones that win championships over smaller, fast teams if those heavier teams are also skilled.

I watch a lot of Leafs games being out here and imo, Toronto's D was one of the best groups 1-6 last season but this season, they haven't found their groove. Tanev is out and wasn't good anyways prior to injury, Carlo has been very bad and the other guys just haven't been clicking for whatever reason.

Tre's mistake was making his team bigger in the offseason and not being able to address the massive Marner hole with added offense. That's a superstar winger that wasn't replaced! I think Tre is in tough now and is going to need to try and win now, which is good for us.

[Flamesfan05]

The same recipe from the wizard: goon coach and bad goalies

[Saqe]

I think it's pretty funny that Tre went all in with his roster in order to get past Florida. The problem is he spent all his first rounders on trash like Laughton and Carlo and the only thing that happened is that they look worse than ever during the Matthews era. The funny part is that Boston, who are now higher in the standings than the Leafs, have Toronto's first-rounder which could end up being a really high pick.

[Jay Random]

My confidence that the Eastern Conference standings will be in the same order in April as they are today is exactly zero. At the moment, 2nd place in the conference is all of five points ahead of 15th place, and every team has at least 64 more games to play.

I think that makes it a little early to be razzing Treliving for giving up a really high pick.

[Vinny01]

I have no doubt that Carlo was plan B to Andersson last year. We would certainly be having fun with the leafs pick looking like it could be high right now. It is only top 5 protected.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I think Treliving is a better GM than some on CP like to portray, but I get why people are upset with him and can't let go given the Flames current position.

I do feel that Tre leans into big, heavy teams, and while many seem to think that's outdated, I believe those teams are still the ones that win championships over smaller, fast teams if those heavier teams are also skilled.

I watch a lot of Leafs games being out here and imo, Toronto's D was one of the best groups 1-6 last season but this season, they haven't found their groove. Tanev is out and wasn't good anyways prior to injury, Carlo has been very bad and the other guys just haven't been clicking for whatever reason.

Tre's mistake was making his team bigger in the offseason and not being able to address the massive Marner hole with added offense. That's a superstar winger that wasn't replaced! I think Tre is in tough now and is going to need to try and win now, which is good for us.

I like big heavy teams, and I dislike Trelviing.


I will save the lengthy explanation, and just leave it at this:


Treliving took over a team with zero bad contracts, and a young team with a good looking young core to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first year. He was only able to repeat that feat once more (and exactly the same number of wins BTW), and he left the team with a lot of cleaning-up to do by Conroy. Plus losing Gaudreau for nothing was terrible asset management.


In the 10 seasons that he was here, the Flames had below average playoff success, in spite of Treliving spending a plethora of draft picks. I don't fathom how some people think he has been the 2nd best all-time GM of the Flames.

[CF84]

I can already see it...Tre is going to tell Toronto fans he was deep in the mix for Rasmus when they don't end up landing him. He'll return a 1st and a prospect from another team and Treliving will tell the fans a tale as old as time about how close they were to trading for Andersson (when all he offered was a 2nd and an okayish prospect).


The Flames just wanted too much and the package he was offering is actually more valuable than what Calgary settled on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

My confidence that the Eastern Conference standings will be in the same order in April as they are today is exactly zero. At the moment, 2nd place in the conference is all of five points ahead of 15th place, and every team has at least 64 more games to play.

I think that makes it a little early to be razzing Treliving for giving up a really high pick.

The Leafs are lucky to have the record they do...they are getting badly outplayed every game.

[Ped]

The Leafs managed only 28.1 percent of the game’s shot attempts. That is the single worst mark, by any NHL team, in a game this season. The second worst? The Leafs’ 28.2 percent against the Carolina Hurricanes on Sunday night.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/680...-berube-kings/