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Old 11-13-2025, 01:57 PM   #41
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I think similar things were said about mobile phones and the internet and they have become almost a utility. It's possible AI follows that curve but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.
I would argue the impact of smartphones is far greater than the tool/utility they are in our daily lives. They have impacted our social structures, political structures, arguably our biological structures as it re-wires how we use memory and intelligence. And AI itself wouldn't be possible without the amount of data sharing done via smartphone communication. There's nothing classic about it. Not everything fits into a neat little philosophical curve. There are aberrations that alter history.
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You just have to be like Charlie Bucket's dad!

He lost his job at the toothpaste tube capping facility to a robot and then retrained to repair the toothpaste tube capping robot! Thats how its done.

Also he lived in a condemned shack with 4 elderly people and a really yappy kid.
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Read this then:
https://optimusai.ai/why-40-of-llm-o...liable-llmops/


And yes, it will confidently make the same mistake over and over again until it's re-trained. You may find it works well for your use case, and I don't dispute that. But there are a lot of use cases it doesn't. Like spatial awareness.


Here's a recent search from Reddit.




https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/com...a_circle_with/



The world famous New Brumerd Island.


You want this diagnosing which organ your cancer is in? ChatGPT said your heart was full of cancer and it had to come out. Turns out it was your kidney, so you have about 3 more seconds to live. Sorry, it'll do better next time.
Cartographers' jobs are safe! 0.0004% of the world's jobs according to AI, but we all know it's biased.
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You just have to be like Charlie Bucket's dad!

He lost his job at the toothpaste tube capping facility to a robot and then retrained to repair the toothpaste tube capping robot! Thats how its done.

Also he lived in a condemned shack with 4 elderly people and a really yappy kid.
We used to joke about the refinery control room of the future.... a computer, a man, and a dog. The computer's job is to run the refinery. The man's job is to feed the dog. The dog's job is to keep the man the hell away from the computer.
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We used to joke about the refinery control room of the future.... a computer, a man, and a dog. The computer's job is to run the refinery. The man's job is to feed the dog. The dog's job is to keep the man the hell away from the computer.
I like that.
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Cartographers' jobs are safe! 0.0004% of the world's jobs according to AI, but we all know it's biased.
As a geographer, this is pleasing to see.
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You can see that the AI did exactly what the prompt asked for. Even felt like adding in some extra city names "for fun" to make it feel mappy.

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I asked for a map of the US showing a circle with a radius of 900 miles with Denver at the center.
Map of the US = check
Circle with a radius of 900 miles = check
Denver at the center = check

What they should have asked was: Give me a map of the US. Show a circle around Denver. Make the radius of the circle 900 miles.
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I'm not sure I can agree with those assumptions.


Today - we are short doctors, any extra time should be used to see more patients.


2 years - I don't see that happening. You are essentially turning over diagnosis to an AI with a high error rate. The human temptation here is to just grab it, agree, and move on. The big problem with that is the medical field is full of outliers, and you need to be able to recognize those for what they are. Sometimes it's subtle. It can be revealed through the patient interview process, but doctors will be far more likely to sign off on the obvious provided answer and will miss the real diagnosis. Maybe chatting with an AI can get to the same point, but I'm skeptical.


5 years - the trap off assuming rates of improvement are constantly increasing until perfection. But that's not how it works. It's a S curve, and it's just about finding where that limit is. From existing progress, and examples like Tesla FSD and vast amounts of money and processing thrown at it, it's becoming more and more obvious we have flattened out on GPT's.
It's definitely coming and it won't have a 40% error rate...The medical industry won't just be subscribing to gpt-8 and asking it to diagnose patients. They'll be creating tools to help them save time, like everyone else is doing. Just instead of a spreadsheet the AI will analyze blood or review scans. They're showing a lot of promise at detecting abnormalities in scans better than doctors. The medical field will be slow to come aboard but AI will be a huge part of the system soon.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...ient-survival/

https://www.doctronic.ai/blog/ai-vs-...ate-diagnosis/
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You can see that the AI did exactly what the prompt asked for. Even felt like adding in some extra city names "for fun" to make it feel mappy.



Map of the US = check
Circle with a radius of 900 miles = check
Denver at the center = check

What they should have asked was: Give me a map of the US. Show a circle around Denver. Make the radius of the circle 900 miles.
Just DALL·E being DALL·E. I don’t think most people realize asking ChatGPT for images is like playing a game of telephone. You give GPT the prompt and then GPT basically generates text prompts that are then sent to a separate AI art generator. That art generator loves being an ‘artist’ and uses its own guidelines to produce the images and confidently misplace cities, redraw state borders, and invent geography like it’s working off a drunk 1847 atlas.

Personally, I love AI. I use it for everything from picking dinner with included recipes and grocery lists to writing code/formulas/emails to finding new suppliers for our custom bags (never had an easier transaction in the past decade compared to the AI’s pick) to scanning in my bloodwork to give me details on what to add or delete from my diet/nutrients (it already knows what I eat everyday lol). If someone just copies, pastes, and hits submit they will run into a lot of issues. But using it as an assistant has been perfect for my setting. And like an assistant I would check their work before submission.

If you aren’t using it for even basic things in life they are missing out on some extra free time. Value wise it is probably the best $20 I spend on any subscription I have.
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I think it would be a mistake to assume that companies will adopt AI, fire a bunch of people, and then continue on like normal. That may happen in some specific industries. But with basically every other technological innovation that increased productivity, it didn't happen that way across all sectors. That's because while things like AI certainly reduce the labor needed to produce a given output, it also allows previously unprofitable or unviable work to became doable, creating new markets and new jobs.

And of course, economies that kill their own demand (i.e. through mass layoffs) are not sustainable. Nearly 70% of worldwide GDP is personal consumption, and if that's hollowed out in capitalist countries, then it will be their downfall. So they'll either reach an equilibrium where people remain employed, or they'll fail while planned economies prosper.
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You can see that the AI did exactly what the prompt asked for. Even felt like adding in some extra city names "for fun" to make it feel mappy.

Map of the US = check
Circle with a radius of 900 miles = check
Denver at the center = check

What they should have asked was: Give me a map of the US. Show a circle around Denver. Make the radius of the circle 900 miles.

Sounds like you need to work on your prompt engineering, because...





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It's definitely coming and it won't have a 40% error rate...The medical industry won't just be subscribing to gpt-8 and asking it to diagnose patients. They'll be creating tools to help them save time, like everyone else is doing. Just instead of a spreadsheet the AI will analyze blood or review scans. They're showing a lot of promise at detecting abnormalities in scans better than doctors. The medical field will be slow to come aboard but AI will be a huge part of the system soon.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...ient-survival/

https://www.doctronic.ai/blog/ai-vs-...ate-diagnosis/
This is exactly it. At some things, it's really good. Use it as a tool. It will absolutely replace jobs and be good enough for it, but there are many fields it's just not going to be great at.
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The comparable is the industrial revolution, which, by and large made human life more miserable. Though, it was great for share holder value.
Besides access to sanitation and clean water, mass literacy, reducing child mortality by 90+ per cent, an end to routine famines, the marvels of electricity, long-distance travel, vaccination, reliable birth control, increased lifespans, and the tools we’re using to communicate right now… what did the industrial revolution ever do for us?
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OK.

What are some AI tools we should be using to help us right now? I can not see how it will help with Optometry at the moment.
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OK.

What are some AI tools we should be using to help us right now? I can not see how it will help with Optometry at the moment.
There’s your problem doc

Serious answer though, are you able to digitize images where AI could diagnose conditions?

Could you use AI along with a microphone to fill out patient paperwork / write down symptoms?

Even use AI to show what different glasses would look like on a persons face
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You want this diagnosing which organ your cancer is in? ChatGPT said your heart was full of cancer and it had to come out. Turns out it was your kidney, so you have about 3 more seconds to live. Sorry, it'll do better next time.
Interpreting is a lot different than generating. You probably do want AI diagnosing your cancer:

https://time.com/7299314/microsoft-a...ors-diagnosis/
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I already bought myself a 'Johnny 5' unit. If I want AI I want it to desire limitless input and hail from 1986!
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Confirmed. By becoming a geographer and not a doctor, I'm far more valuable to the world.
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From what I understand it's more about cutting down charting times and freeing up the doctors time for diagnosing and treatments.

I can't recall the ratio off hand, but it's something like 40% of their time is spent recording diagnosis and treatments/medications. AI would be a HUGE time saver, allowing doctors to doctor.
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