Right now, Ivar Stenberg is tied with Anton Frondell in SHL scoring, with 12 points in 17 games apiece, and Frondell was drafted this past summer.
If the SHL season ended today, Stenberg would have the 10th-best ppg (0.71) by a player 18-and-under, with 10 games or more. Peter Forsberg had a ppg of 0.74 in his 17 year-old season, and 0.72 when he was 18.
13 points in 7 games at the U-18's, tied for 37th-best all-time, 22nd-best all-time for goals (8).
10 points in 5 games at the Hlinka, tied for 26th-best all-time.
11 points in 5 games at the WJAC-19, tied for 6th-best all-time.
It would be hard to pick any other forward other than McKenna over this kid.
What's Roobroeck like?
(6'4" 216lbs 18 year-old left-shot center, projected #4 in EP's consolidated rankings.)
Right now, Ivar Stenberg is tied with Anton Frondell in SHL scoring, with 12 points in 17 games apiece, and Frondell was drafted this past summer.
If the SHL season ended today, Stenberg would have the 10th-best ppg (0.71) by a player 18-and-under, with 10 games or more. Peter Forsberg had a ppg of 0.74 in his 17 year-old season, and 0.72 when he was 18.
13 points in 7 games at the U-18's, tied for 37th-best all-time, 22nd-best all-time for goals (8).
10 points in 5 games at the Hlinka, tied for 26th-best all-time.
11 points in 5 games at the WJAC-19, tied for 6th-best all-time.
It would be hard to pick any other forward other than McKenna over this kid.
Like you've been saying - as much as it's Mission McKenna, even if the lottery doesn't play to our favour, we're still in line to draft our new best player...
Here is Elite Prospects Top 32 for September. I imagine they'll have an October release soon.
Top-10:
1. McKenna
2. Stenberg
3. Verhoeff
4. Lin
5. Belchetz
6: Lawrence
7. Preson
8. Rudolph
9. Villeneuve
10. Roobroeck
They also note that given the league's preference for Centres, a strong year for Lawrence could easily see him secure the #2 spot.
What's fun for me is this will be the first time in a number of years that I really pay attention to the World Jr.'s
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I feel like the Flames way is to surge, and finish in the 7th pick before the lottery. The teams in 8th and 9th win the lottery. This is the way.
Not everyone wants to be ####ing miserable in every thread. Go to one of the ones dedicated to those who can't be happy about anything. There's about 20 of them. Ffs.
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It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
I really hate that the Oilers currently have the 5th best odds of drafting 1st OA right now.
With our bad luck and their horseshoe filled asses, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
The oilers won't be a lottery team. They will start rolling eventually with the wonder twins. I just hope someone in the west can stop them this year from getting to the finals. It doesn't look like FLA will be able to save us this time and either way I have zero appetite for watching the oilers win 3 rounds of playoffs again FFS
(6'4" 216lbs 18 year-old left-shot center, projected #4 in EP's consolidated rankings.)
Roobreck has actually been playing most of the season so far at LW. He's an old-timer for the draft, with a September 25th birthday, meaning he would've been drafted this past summer if he was born 10 days earlier, which can be seen as a big detriment. He's a power-forward, and I like him very much, but he's mostly a goal-scorer (booming shot), and a finisher (net-front presence), who doesn't really drive play. He's nicely skilled, and isn't too bad of a skater, but his intensity, engagement, and physicality have wide ebbs and flows. That said, he is still productive (10 goals and 19 points in 18 OHL games this season), though not as productive as last season (87 points in 64 games). I think Belchetz is faster and more skilled, but that's just my opinion.
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They also note that given the league's preference for Centres, a strong year for Lawrence could easily see him secure the #2 spot.
Using their Mock Draft tool, Tankathon has us either taking McKenna at 1st or Lawrence at either 2nd or 3rd. I ran it like 15 times or so, and only once was it someone else (VAN got McKenna, NYR took Lawrence at 2 and we took Stenberg at 3).
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Ty Lawrence only picked up 3 points at the Hlinka, but he was still one of Team Canada's best forwards, and noticeable every shift. His production in his D-minus-1 season (54 points in 56 games with Muskegon of the USHL) was excellent, and indicative of great things to come- hopefully he builds up a bigger sample size this season, as he's only played 2 games so far due to injury. He played those two games at the end of October, and hasn't played since- he's missed at least the last 2 games for Muskegon.
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That's the point of finishing low - drafting a cornerstone piece. There is only a 25.5% chance of getting the 1st overall pick by finishing last, so the point isn't "McKenna or bust" - it is putting yourself in a situation where you get to draft a cornerstone piece.
If some people want to be Eeyores and be all sad in advance for the Flames finishing last and getting bumped-out of the 1st overall pick, well, that's fine. You can join Tim Murray wherever he is still lamenting the fact that he didn't get McDavid and openly complained about it after drafting Eichel. Who the heck here wouldn't be pumped to bring in someone like Eichel into this organization?
This is going to be the most exciting draft in the history of the Calgary Flames by the looks of it. Still early, but I would be surprised if the Flames don't end up in last or second last place. They are going to draft a cornerstone that we will love for the next 10+ seasons. Maybe the next season they will add another one too. Flames bottomed-out at a good time with good drafts and high-end prospects available. Whether it is 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, the Flames will be drafting high-end talent.
As well, I hope the Flames find some really good pieces later in the 1st round. For instance, I was fairly high on Lakovic last season. He leads the WHL in goals right now - 17 goals in 18 games. He was drafted 27th overall. Hopefully the Flames can find a player or two with some size and skill later on in the draft like him.
This thread - along with the 2026 draft thread - are the two most fun threads on these boards. Lets not get all negative here please!!
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I try the tankathon at least once a day, and though I am not keeping an official tally the flames get 1st way more than the odds say. Probably like 50-60%.
Right now I don't think you can go wrong with any of McKenna, Stenberg, Verhoeff or Lawrence.
There other names in the mix - but right now those are the 4 that I'd be thrilled with.
So you need to finish 2nd worst to guarantee yourself one of those.
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You'll sleep much better if you automatically assume that McKenna isn't ours. It's better to look at it that way so you're not set up for disappointment.
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I really hope we take a forward. If we don't get 1st then I hope Stenberg is available to us!
Belchetz is also high on my list- seems to me like he could be a real difference maker, not based just on size. That would be my top 3 wishlist at this point, and if the flames finish last they are guaranteed to pick one of the top 3 players on whatever list they come up with.
That's what we should be building as the year goes on. A reverse order consensus list, by vote or something, based on our rank at end of season. I.e. if we finish last, a top 3 consensus list, if 2nd a top 4, 3rd a top 5, etc.
Right now I don't think you can go wrong with any of McKenna, Stenberg, Verhoeff or Lawrence.
There other names in the mix - but right now those are the 4 that I'd be thrilled with.
So you need to finish 2nd worst to guarantee yourself one of those.
I was writing my other post while you wrote this but it seems we were thinking right along the same line.
I am personally less enthused about Verhoeff. Not only because of our RD prospect glut, and the far out hope that we may even be able to sign a pajama wearing Makar in the not so distant future, but also I don't see his skill set being as dynamic at the NHL level. Plus if there is something truly in the water in Edmonton, then Fort Saskatchewan has the most of it. lol.
All that said, Iginla will have the best read and if he is pushing it maybe it would be for the best.
I feel like the Flames way is to surge, and finish in the 7th pick before the lottery. The teams in 8th and 9th win the lottery. This is the way.
Flames are digging themselves a deep enough hole that hopefully they can't even surge.
NHL has never seen as much parity as they have this year - 28 teams are .500 or better right now.
Only 4 teams are below .500
Sabres. 1 game below .500
Preds and Blues - 3 games below .500
Flames - 7 games below .500
Dec 1 marks the 1/3 of the season mark (27 games), and they have 10 games left before that date.
It's likely they are something like 8-16-3 at that point and 8 games below .500.
Honestly I think at that point is when you also then start hearing more about guys being moved, etc.
They really should be able to get a top 5 pick this year barring a remarkable turnaround. 75 points gets you a bottom 5 pick - they have to play .500 hockey just to get to that threshold at this point.
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How’s the gap between number 1 and 2? Is McKenna that much better then the rest?
Coming into the season everyone would have said the gap was huge - but it's closing at this point due to Mckenna having a harder NCAA transition than expected and Stenberg and Verhoeff having better starts.
Personally Mckenna is still clearly number 1 to me, but really I do think you want to be in the top 3 this year.
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