Piastri bullies his way to 2nd at turn 1 after a yellow flag. Locks up and hits Antonelli who was sandwiched on the other side by Leclerc who get knocked out of the race.
Then I think Piastri jumped the VSC restart. When the VSC began he was 1.2-1.3 seconds back of Norris but was . 300 behind Lando when the VSC dropped..
Edit: Norris is still walking away from the field.
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Kind of unfortunate. I was hoping for a closer battle between Norris Piastri and Verstappen over these last four or five races.
Another easy win for Norris almost wrapped up the championship as long as he doesn’t DNF the rest of the way.
I’m really impressed though that it seemed a lot like Norris was gonna choke and fold under the pressure and he’s really turning out to be a good contender and it looks like Piastri is the one who’s struggling.
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IMO that's a ridiculous penalty considering the silly racing guidelines. His front tire got to Ant's mirror so he was entitled to space. So how do you get a penalty for hugging the inside track limit?
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Yeah I didn’t think that was that bad. But they have that whole stupid rule about being an alongside at the Apex. I thought it was three cars going into a corner and Antonelli wasn’t able to hold his line.
If he didn't lock up into the corner I don't think there would have been contact with Antonelli. Which is probably why they gave him a 10 second penalty because he was behind the apex. It was a bullish move.
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If he didn't lock up into the corner I don't think there would have been contact with Antonelli. Which is probably why they gave him a 10 second penalty because he was behind the apex. It was a bullish move.
Oscar had two wheels off track and was as far inside as he could possibly be. He probably would have run into Kimi's line after the apex, but we can never know that because Kimi ran into him before the apex. They convicted him of a future crime.
Oscar's strategy team also leaves a lot to be desired.
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Not that anyone cares, but here's my dissection of the incident:
When the lock up starts Oscar's left tire is about 1 meter away from the white line, and there's a full cars width of space between Kimi and Charles.
By the time the contact happens Oscar's left tire is now on the white line, and there's nearly two cars width between Kimi and Charles. So Kimi has turned in even more than Oscar.
Norris's line also gives us a pretty damn good idea of where the apex is, and the contact happens at least 15 meters before OP/KA would have reached that point. And we can't know his exact trajectory without the contact, but Oscar completes T1 with about three cars widths to the outside (at the point where that becomes the inside approaching T2).
Penalty makes no sense IMO.
Annoying that F1TV website prevents my mac from taking screenshots. I could have printed them out and sent them to Michael Masi!
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This is the replay for me that show clearly it’s Ants fault. Pia locks up but keeps his line. He’s alongside well before the corner and Antonelli had no “right” to the corner nor should Pia have backed off. Leclerc way outside doing his own thing and is an innocent bystander.
At best a racing incident. At worst an Antonelli penalty.
The funny thing for Ant is that even if he doesn’t cut in as sharply, he’s well positioned against both. Going into turn 2 he’d have a clear advantage over Pia and is far enough ahead of Leclerc I bet he follows Norris out of the corner alone in 2nd. Rookie mistake.
As I mentioned previously though, the idiotic apex guidelines make it Ant’s corner. So while technically correct, the penalty still feels wrong.
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Those guidelines seem to be written assuming contact happens AFTER the apex, which is typically the case (aside from dive bombs which today obviously was not).
Is Oscar just supposed to make his car disappear? Or is his 2m wide car not at least entitled to the 2m of track leading up to the apex? It basically makes it impossible for a driver to even back out (and instead you've got lower odds of a penalty by steaming through)...so I guess just don't try at all? That's the racing we all want to see!
The 2 meters of track right at the apex is where it gets tricky. Even if the driver hasn't met the axel=mirror guideline I think they should still be entitled to that 2 meters of space, but not 1cm more. Any contact where their inside wheels aren't on the white line is a fair penalty. And of course this remains true beyond the apex.
Taking it to the extreme hypothetical, a driver should be entitled to drive the entire course with their inside wheel barely touching the inside white line (ie. the line used to measure the entire course; which is not always the inside line for a corner). If you contact them from outside this perfect cars width lane it certainly should not be their penalty...you literally just drove into the side of them.
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If piastri doesn't lock up, I think there was enough room for all of them to squeeze through. I thought some track near the wall when piastri locked up. Oh well. He could have also just ducked back in an trie at the end of the next straight.
I wasn't too offended by the penalty, especially because it ended leclerc's race. Not how you are supposed to judge incidents but I wouldn't be surprised if the stewards use this logic.
Piastri locked up because he was going too fast. You can't just throw yourself down the track and expect everyone to make room. That's not what the rule is for. If he was going an appropriate speed to make the corner he wouldn't have been alongside, either. Technically claiming the corner but not being able to make it is not racing, it's hack #### that should not be rewarded. Max does this, and it's lame.
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But he easily made the corner. If he was going too fast he would’ve hit into the side of Antonelli.
The situations where Max has done it the other cars have had to adjust and run wide because he dive bombs. I didn’t see any indication that Antonelli had to adjust his line because Piastri went too deep.
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But he easily made the corner. If he was going too fast he would’ve hit into the side of Antonelli.
The situations where Max has done it the other cars have had to adjust and run wide because he dive bombs. I didn’t see any indication that Antonelli had to adjust his line because Piastri went too deep.
Isn't that exactly what happened? To your last sentence, no, Antonelli didn't adjust his line, but yes, he would have had to to avoid a collision.
I think the overhead at 2:52 shows bot Anotonelli turning in, and Piastri locked up out of control sliding in. The reality is Piastri, had he been under control, had space inside to cut the corner and not cause a collision.
The overhead also shows Piastri swinging up from the bottom, and I suspect he wasn't visible at all through most of that in Anotnelli's mirror.
I guess I just don't see much of Antonelli being at fault here. From the overhead he was clearly ahead, and Piastri should have known that door was always closing. And because of that, I think this is a move Piastri does not make in 5 years when he's got more experience. By the same reasoning, I think in 5 years Antonelli turns in later. Both young drivers with things to learn.
Based on the slow motion overhead that I posted above I don’t see any indication that Piastri had lost control. I see three cars going into a corner and Antonelli taking the same line as Norris and turning very sharply into the corner.
I know the rules say that it’s Piastri’s fault but I think Antonelli should’ve left room. There was no reason for him to cut the corner that way.
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