Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Isn’t it weird to have two people at the extreme opposite end of the political spectrum be so damn annoying?

If you think I’m far right, then you are a political space cadet.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Isn’t it weird to have two people at the extreme opposite end of the political spectrum be so damn annoying?

Originally Posted by The Fonz

If you think I’m far right, then you are a political space cadet.

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

and then a person so insignificant to the board chime in. lol

I love that I didn’t have to mention anyone by name, yet they still recognized who my comment was directed to. Congrats on achieving self-awareness.

[The Fonz]

Haha… weird dunk attempt. But if you achieved that dope hit, I’m happy to have helped you.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I love that I didn’t have to mention anyone by name, yet they still recognized who my comment was directed to. Congrats on achieving self-awareness.

Wow you are a genius.... lol. an insignificant one though haha

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think he's trying to paint a broad brush. No, not all Conservatives are racists, but many racists have found a receptive home with the Conservatives.

And no, you don't need to follow Russian bots to know this. Just listen to the callers on 770. "I'd like you to look at if our insurance rates are high because of all the immigrants" is a random one I heard a few months ago. I don't 100% recall, but I think this was a caller to Ask Our Premier.

LOL. So I hop in my truck and the first word on the radio is immigrants. Why yes, it is Ask Your Premier, and some totally not racist lady was calling in asking Danielle to blame the school issues on immigrants, which she dutifully took the baton on and ran with.


I don't even think they realize just how bad all of that sounds.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL. So I hop in my truck and the first word on the radio is immigrants. Why yes, it is Ask Your Premier, and some totally not racist lady was calling in asking Danielle to blame the school issues on immigrants, which she dutifully took the baton on and ran with.


I don't even think they realize just how bad all of that sounds.

Immigrants are not to blame for our issues in Canada. The volume of immigration, the quality of those immigrants and how we are equipped to handle the volume of immigrants as a country is an issue. It's a self imposed injury and it's a complete disservice to those coming over and to Canadian's who are over here.

Canadian's shouldn't kid themselves, there is a LOT of trafficking and exploitation that is happening with Canada's loose immigration policies over the last little while. Who is benefiting from this overall? Is this what these people signed up for?

If people took out the bias and stopped worrying pointing the fingers about racism or being called racist, you can see that this hasn't been a good period overall for the level of immigration we had. It's ok to take a little breather for a while, something that the Carney government looks to be doing significantly. There is zero need to overextend ourselves. We should be integrating immigrants into Canada well, making sure employment, housing, social services are available, making sure exploitation is kept to a minimum. We should have an immigration strategy, not just flood the country and put them into hotels or have them jump from program to program to program applying for work. The goal is to be compassionate and have a Canadian culture, not work hard to fuel corporate interest with regards to cheap labour and finding clients for big business. On earnings call you see headlines like this and wonder, what the hell is going on? Is this why we are bringing people over, to boost stock prices?

https://calgaryherald.com/business/t...riber-slowdown

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Immigrants are not to blame for our issues in Canada. … the quality of those immigrants … is an issue.

Did you mean “immigration” is not to blame? Because saying immigrants aren’t to blame and then saying part of the issue is the quality of the immigrants is… blaming the immigrants lol.

[Fuzz]

I think what he's getting at is this is all Danielle Smith and the UCP's fault.

[chemgear]

Like Trudeau said, immigration was out of control under his government. Not sure it's gotten much better given the little time since. Probably worse as people realize the scam might be running out, "international students" now suddenly claiming asylum.

1/3 of all kids in school basically need extra help with English as a second language. I can't even comprehend how wild that is.

It's pretty clear how much fraud there is as well. They're finally realizing and maybe starting to take some first steps to do something about it.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mas...desh-9.6956426

Ottawa seeking mass visa cancellation powers to deter fraud from India: internal documents

The federal government is seeking the power to cancel applications for groups of visa holders at least in part due to concerns of fraud from India and Bangladesh, according to internal documents obtained by CBC News.

[Fuzz]

That doesn't explain why the problem has been getting worse for two decades, and that they failed to get ahead of anything, ever. It's just a convenient deflection for someone devoid of the desire to improve the situation. It's also scapegoating and blaming a group for their own failures. Frankly, it's pathetic for a leader to stoop to that, but hey, she's playing to her base who likes to lob her softballs on Saturdays, and she's super happy to stand there and bunt bull#### all day long.

[bettercallbettman]

What the hell is happening in Richmond BC? Seems like a can of worms have been opened.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Did you mean “immigration” is not to blame? Because saying immigrants aren’t to blame and then saying part of the issue is the quality of the immigrants is… blaming the immigrants lol.

Cute how you like to turn around and make up your own little sentences and try and pass them off as someone else's. The volume of immigration, Canada's ability to handle them in large quantity and the quality of immigration is what people are upset about.

A lot of Canadian's think it's totally cute to offer false promises to people in other countries, not have proper supports and integration, exploit a lot of them through government approved programs.

People like you and others may think it's funny to exploit people with these little government programs and promises but I can assure you, it's not. The amount of people who come to Canada on work permits and then have to go back home for family emergencies, death in the family or other business and find out the nice little surprise that their work permit does not authorize re-entry is shocking. No contingency for leaving the country on short notice? Just show up and work low skill/low wage jobs for the Canadian's and if mama bear dies overseas, do a video chat. Can't risk attending funeral.

Funny how it's usually the working poor people from poor countries that get caught up in these messes, not the investment banking executive from London, England or the Dr from Paris.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Cute how you like to turn around and make up your own little sentences and try and pass them off as someone else's. The volume of immigration, Canada's ability to handle them in large quantity and the quality of immigration is what people are upset about.

I didn’t make anything up, I quoted you. Here I’ll do it again and hold it this time!

Originally Posted by curves2000

Immigrants are not to blame for our issues in Canada. The volume of immigration, the quality of those immigrants and how we are equipped to handle the volume of immigrants as a country is an issue. It's a self imposed injury and it's a complete disservice to those coming over and to Canadian's who are over here.

So I’m guessing you meant immigrants aren’t exclusively to blame, since you then blamed immigrants (or, the “quality” of them).

Not very cute.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I didn’t make anything up, I quoted you. Here I’ll do it again and hold it this time!



So I’m guessing you meant immigrants aren’t exclusively to blame, since you then blamed immigrants (or, the “quality” of them).

Not very cute.

I think what curves is trying to say is that it’s Canadas issue for not vetting immigrants more thoroughly, not the immigrants themselves. Canada is a desirable country for many to immigrate to so we should have the ability to be pickier in terms of who we allow residency to.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I think what curves is trying to say is that it’s Canadas issue for not vetting immigrants more thoroughly, not the immigrants themselves. Canada is a desirable country for many to immigrate to so we should have the ability to be pickier in terms of who we allow residency to.

So you’re suggesting that the issue is a mismatch between the immigrants and the opportunity, i.e. we’re bringing in people who are over qualified for the jobs they end up in, or aren’t able to end up finding employment and living situations that are up to the standards of their qualifications, or whose skill sets don’t match primary labour market needs, and therefore the “quality” issue is one of policy and infrastructure.

Not that the immigrants are “low quality” people, or lacking individually in any way that prevents them from positively contributing?

I would agree with that. Curves, is that what you meant?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by curves2000

We should be integrating immigrants into Canada well, making sure employment, housing, social services are available, making sure exploitation is kept to a minimum. We should have an immigration strategy, not just flood the country and put them into hotels or have them jump from program to program to program applying for work. The goal is to be compassionate and have a Canadian culture, not work hard to fuel corporate interest with regards to cheap labour and finding clients for big business. On earnings call you see headlines like this and wonder, what the hell is going on? Is this why we are bringing people over, to boost stock prices?

https://calgaryherald.com/business/t...riber-slowdown

I had to trim down your post a bit but this last party works for me. We need a more socialist society that is thoughtfully built to promote the people over the elite and their corporations. We need social programs that do more to build people up so that those people can then do more to build society up. As the saying goes "a rising tide lifts all boats".

Welcome to being a progressive populist.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you’re suggesting that the issue is a mismatch between the immigrants and the opportunity, i.e. we’re bringing in people who are over qualified for the jobs they end up in, or aren’t able to end up finding employment and living situations that are up to the standards of their qualifications, or whose skill sets don’t match primary labour market needs, and therefore the “quality” issue is one of policy and infrastructure.

Not that the immigrants are “low quality” people, or lacking individually in any way that prevents them from positively contributing?

I would agree with that. Curves, is that what you meant?

Nobody can tell what Curves meant

It seems like with his metrics my family wouldn’t have qualified to come to Canada

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Nobody can tell what Curves meant

It seems like with his metrics my family wouldn’t have qualified to come to Canada

It’s times like these we might wish we had a more classic immigrant story like curves (born in Canada in the 80s).

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you’re suggesting that the issue is a mismatch between the immigrants and the opportunity, i.e. we’re bringing in people who are over qualified for the jobs they end up in, or aren’t able to end up finding employment and living situations that are up to the standards of their qualifications, or whose skill sets don’t match primary labour market needs, and therefore the “quality” issue is one of policy and infrastructure.

Not that the immigrants are “low quality” people, or lacking individually in any way that prevents them from positively contributing?

I would agree with that. Curves, is that what you meant?

That’s more or less my beliefs. I absolutely don’t think immigrants (or anyone really) are “low quality”. That’s a pretty ignorant belief. The low quality has more to do with our immigration policies ensuring we are getting skilled people with a high likelihood of integrating into Canadas mosaic. I think our government can do better when it comes to who we allow in, and a lot of that starts with LMIA abuse.

[fotze2]

You guys are so very cute.