Israel declares war on Hamas

[peter12]

I for one actually have no idea why Israel would want to control border access into Gaza. No idea at all. It must strictly have had to do with stopping food aid from entering. No other reason.

[Fuzz]

Thousands of boxes filled with shelter items and food are sitting idle in Jordan, Egypt and Israel, humanitarian agencies say, warning that very little aid is making its way into Gaza nearly four weeks after a ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel began.

“Gaza should be receiving a surge of shelter materials, but only a fraction of what is needed has entered,” Caredda said in a statement Wednesday, calling for "swift and unimpeded access" into the war-torn territory.

The World Food Program (WFP) says only half the needed amount of food is coming in. But an umbrella group of Palestinian agencies that liaise with the UN says only 25 to 30 per cent of the expected amount of aid had entered so far.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-a...lter-9.6967494


Huh.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

An air drop is 10% of a single truck. Are we talking about a rounding error here?

You are correct. But it is more than just air dropped aid that the UN wasn’t counting.

From Google

The United Nations does not count all aid entering Gaza. The UN's tracking mechanisms, such as the UN 2720 Monitoring & Tracking Dashboard, primarily record only the aid handled by UN agencies and their specific implementing partners, which often accounts for only a portion of the total aid entering the strip.
Key reasons and factors include:
Selective Tracking: The UN dashboard specifically tracks only UN-manifested aid, as mandated by Security Council Resolution 2720, but this system does not capture aid delivered by other entities, such as individual states, non-UN international organizations, the private sector, or through airdrops and temporary distribution hubs (like the U.S.-operated pier, when active).

Damn UN wouldn’t have even counted all the aid that Greta sailed to Gaza.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-a...lter-9.6967494


Huh.

Israel meanwhile says it is fulfilling its obligations under the ceasefire agreement, which calls for an average of 600 trucks of supplies into Gaza per day. It blames Hamas fighters for any food shortages, accusing it of stealing food aid before it can be distributed, which the group denies.

You just missed this in your quote.

Hamas stealing the supplies from the Palestinians.


Free Palestine
From Hamas

[Fuzz]

You mean the stuff Israel blockaded and didn't get into Gaza?


So going back to this:

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Fellas, why so angry? Try google!

The UN did not count all aid that entered Gaza. Everyone who bases their numbers on anything the UN publishes is not accurate. Period.

If there are 100 marbles in a box, but you only counted 50 of them going into the box, that doesn’t mean there are 50 marbles in the box. That means you don’t count all the marbles going into the box.

The bigger question, since the UN has not been counting all aid entering Gaza, how can they claim there is a famine. It’s misinformation.

Edit;
Here is what came up.

Oh, how could they possibly, without a balance sheet? It's baffling. It's not misinformation, it's using other data points. You really can't possibly be this thick, but you've put so much effort into it.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You mean the stuff Israel blockaded and didn't get into Gaza?


So going back to this:
Oh, how could they possibly, without a balance sheet? It's baffling. It's not misinformation, it's using other data points. You really can't possibly be this thick, but you've put so much effort into it.

What other data points is the UN using if they aren’t counting all aid entering Gaza?

You really defending the UN here hey? You understand the UN doesn’t even recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization don’t you?

[Fuzz]

Ya, I'm out, you are trolling. No one is this thick.

[PepsiFree]

Imagine thinking famine and starvation is determined solely on the count of aid trucks going in lol.

But from the guy who doesn’t know what an air drop or what things like famine and starvation even are I guess it makes sense.

[Bagor]

The irony. Filing a complaint to a human rights tribunal against another for calling a ginormous violation of human rights a genocide.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...80ff2c2fa.html

[Doctorfever]

https://themedialine.org/top-stories...d-in-idf-zone/

“It’s a balancing act for the United States,” Joe Truzman, senior research analyst at Foundation for Defense of Democracy’s Long War Journal, told The Media Line. “In part, it is about protecting the ceasefire, but it is also about keeping happy Qatar and Turkey, who are Hamas allies as well as key guarantors of the deal. I expect Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, and perhaps the United States to ramp up pressure on the Jewish state the longer time passes without an agreement being made, making it more difficult for the Israelis to act against the trapped gunmen,” he added.

“Israel is trying to postpone the issue of the 200 terrorists until Hamas fully complies with the agreement and releases the four bodies of the dead hostages. Only then will Israel be willing and ready to negotiate what to do with these 200 terrorists,” Michael told The Media Line. “Hamas is trying to insert a new deal into an existing deal, and this is something Israel must reject—and I think the Americans understand that. The Americans are pushing to preserve the ceasefire and avoid a crisis or an excuse for Hamas, but I don’t think Israel will be ready to deal with this issue until Hamas has completed the transfer of all the dead hostages,” he added.

Israel is trying to postpone the issue of the 200 terrorists until Hamas fully complies with the agreement and releases the four bodies of the dead hostages

Under the US-mediated ceasefire that took effect in October, Hamas has begun returning long-held remains, including those of Lt. Hadar Goldin, killed in Rafah in 2014 and buried this month after 11 years in Gaza. But several bodies of hostages taken during Hamas’ 2023 attack are still missing, and Israeli officials say Hamas has tried to link further returns to concessions over the trapped fighters.

“This is what Hamas is obligated to do under the agreement,” Michael said, “and I don’t think we should tolerate all the manipulation and stalling that Hamas is using to buy time, rebuild itself and create new facts on the ground,” he added.

Hopefully this pressures Hamas to return the bodies of the remaining hostages and we can move on to the next step in the ceasefire agreement.

While the world’s attention is fixed on Gaza, the West Bank is experiencing its most violent settler season on record—a trend diplomats warn could destabilize the Gaza ceasefire from the outside in.

UN figures show that Israeli settlers carried out a record number of attacks against Palestinians in October, many of them during the olive harvest. In dozens of villages near Nablus, Hebron, and the central West Bank, Palestinian farmers have reported beatings, arson, and the destruction of thousands of trees.

For Palestinian officials and many international observers, this makes the Gaza ceasefire look increasingly compartmentalized: relative de-escalation in one territory, escalating pressure in another. Israeli security officials, meanwhile, fear that Hamas and other armed groups could exploit any breakdown over Rafah to fan further unrest in the West Bank, turning settler violence and army raids into another front in the conflict.

Israel needs to get control of the settlers in the West Bank. This is not helping the overall situation. Start prosecuting settlers violence.