Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

wooo the Con floor crosser hints there will be more during his presser right now!

His former deplorable Reform Party members are calling him a coward.... hahaha. anything but.

[Fuzz]

Abandoning Maple Maga isn't cowardly, it's "like, duh. Ya. Why the #### would I want to be associated with that?" More of that, please.


Unfortunately it also serves to deepen the saturation of dumb side of the CPC, which makes them even less likely to ever be the rational party it once was. Probably helps Pierre win his leadership review, which, frankly, will be one of the dumbest thing s the PC has done this century. You don't beat Carney with Diet Trump in Canada. Stop trying.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Abandoning Maple Maga isn't cowardly, it's "like, duh. Ya. Why the #### would I want to be associated with that?" More of that, please.


Unfortunately it also serves to deepen the saturation of dumb side of the CPC, which makes them even less likely to ever be the rational party it once was. Probably helps Pierre win his leadership review, which, frankly, will be one of the dumbest thing s the PC has done this century. You don't beat Carney with Diet Trump in Canada. Stop trying.

You are a coward for continuing to support the low-iq slogan generator. lol

Carney was a genius. Letting PP back in the house of commons asap!

[Firebot]

https://www.budget.canada.ca/2022/home-accueil-en.html

https://budget.canada.ca/2025/home-accueil-en.html

You just have to look at the titles and budget focus, the to see the complete shift in tone. 2022's budget IMO is one of the worst budgets ever tabled and was a huge factor in Trudeau's steep popularity decline.

This budget is not treating Canadians like children that need to be saved through grandstanding, it's just saying we have #### to prepare for, and this is how we can prepare to survive.


https://budget.canada.ca/2025/report...x3-en.html#a15

15% reduction in costs like Parcs Canada, Canadian Heritage, Employment Workforce Development, Environment and Climate Change, Fisheries and Oceans, Immigration, ISED among others

To meet up to 15 per cent in savings targets over three years, Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) will optimize internal processes to reduce administrative burden, reducing management layers, and adopting new approaches to leverage AI

NRCan will also end the 2 Billion Trees program. Existing contribution agreements and commitments will be honoured, and uncommitted funds will be returned. The government remains committed to sustainable forest management practices – to date, the program has committed to planting nearly 1 billion trees.

In Budget 2025, the government will provide $2 billion, on a cash basis, starting in 2026-27, to NRCan to create the Critical Minerals Sovereign Fund to make strategic investments in critical minerals projects and companies.

This will include, among other things, not renewing certain funding envelopes in the Global Innovation Clusters and the Strategic Innovation Fund, namely the Net Zero Accelerator due to declining demand, where initiatives have accomplished their goals or may be superseded by other programming.

To meet up to 15 per cent in savings targets over three years, the Privy Council Office (PCO) will recalibrate to programming that is no longer a priority or has objectives that overlap and could be better delivered by other departments, such as the Clean Growth Office and PCO programming for Public Lands and Housing.

PSEP will also leverage technology and AI to automate tasks, and reduce software licensing requirements to achieve savings.

Just a few of many highlights. Considering what we came from with a Trudeau government, someone who's conservative should absolutely be liking this approach with a budget that has effectively grown up in tone. d'Entremont crossing the floor likely won't be the last, while Poilievre remains leader and with Carney at the helm for the Liberals.

There's also a lot of AI leveraging being pushed.

[Fuzz]

Definitely don't think cutting Parks budgets makes sense. They have already been cut for years, and given the increased number of visitors and needs for things like general wear and tear maintenance, it seems like they'd be needing more, not less.


Cutting NRCan is also(without knowing if they have massive waste) not a great signal to industry that relies on their data, knowledge and work at a time when you are trying to boos that type of industry in Canada.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Never liked floor crossing.
I think most people vote party over the particular MP and it's a kind of unfair to their vote.
As much as I get his reasons, seems like a strange feature of our parliamentary system.

[Firebot]

The budget cuts 15% out of almost all services except for defense, CBSA, RCMP, Women and Gender Equality and indigenous services and relations which have a token 2%.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Cutting NRCan is also(without knowing if they have massive waste) not a great signal to industry that relies on their data, knowledge and work at a time when you are trying to boos that type of industry in Canada.

They are getting a significant boost in mineral investment with the new Critical Minerals Sovereign Fund

It's more like a significant shift of priorities in getting minerals out of the ground.

Stop planting trees to dig up minerals. Imagine if that was a CPC slogan. Yet here we are. I dare say so far Carney is even further to the right than Chretien.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Never liked floor crossing.
I think most people vote party over the particular MP and it's a kind of unfair to their vote.
As much as I get his reasons, seems like a strange feature of our parliamentary system.

Every so often we have to be reminded we vote for a representative, not a party. Their job is to do what is best for their constituents. If the guy is realizing mini Trump isn't going to be good for Canada and the party is showing no sings of change, that's doing what is best.

So if the CPC wanted to assure it's voters they'd only get mini-Trumpers, they'd have to get those nominated, and then elected. People may very well have not voted for a more extreme Conservative representative, and he never would have been elected.

[surferguy]

What is the balance in the house now with the floor crossing?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by surferguy

What is the balance in the house now with the floor crossing?

They're still 2 short of a majority. You have to think they'll be offering some big incentives to find at least 2 more floor crossers.

[Fuzz]

Maybe they could just send some questionable poutine to the Bloc before the vote.

[IliketoPuck]

Here's the official count:

https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/d...partyStandings

170 liberal
143 CPC
22 PQ
7 NDP
1 Green

Opposition Total = 173

Total = 343

Majority = 172

[Looch City]

Is Poileivre blaming Trudeau for this somehow?

[puffnstuff]

Does that count exclude the Liberal MP who is the Speaker?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Is Poileivre blaming Trudeau for this somehow?

Him and the woke agenda, naturally.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by getbak

They're still 2 short of a majority. You have to think they'll be offering some big incentives to find at least 2 more floor crossers.

That's the part I don't like (the incentivizing). Like, if you want to cross the floor, I guess that's fine. Not something that I love, but you will have to face the electorate, and it can cost you your job. But, personal benefit like a cabinet position is just greasy.

[ThePrince]

https://budget.canada.ca/2025/report.../chap1-en.html

Statistics Canada estimates that federal regulatory burden rose 37 per cent between 2006 and 2021. Had it remained at 2006 levels, business investment in 2021 would have been 9 per cent higher.

The government also undertook a review aimed at eliminating red tape. Ministers have identified approximately 500 recent improvements and forward-looking actions to reduce regulatory red tape.

Huh, interesting - I can distinctly remember how many people here like to gaslight that Canada's over-regulation was a figment of people's imaginations.

[Ped]

I don't think there's a need to get more floor-crossers. Does any of the parties really want an election? I can guarantee the NDP doesn't; they couldn't even afford the last one.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Ped

I don't think there's a need to get more floor-crossers. Does any of the parties really want an election? I can guarantee the NDP doesn't; they couldn't even afford the last one.

The Cons would get absolutely trounced and it would be the end of PP’s career if they forced an election right now. A Christmas election only 6 months after we just had one? Canadians would be downright pissed. And yea, the NDP certainly wouldn’t want one either. I’m betting we’ll see a small handful of MPs simply abstain from the vote, which would allow the budget to pass.