We were focused mainly on the environment and economy, but this person argued against using the NC.
Arguing against it is one thing. In the end, your MLA did vote in favour on Bill 2 though. We have to hold these people accountable in my view. I’m interested to know what the comments about the NC clause were.
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Yup, arguing against it then voting for it doesn't make them any less culpable. Like, congrats on having a soft spine, I guess?
It's like in the States with all the Republicans (and some Democrats) who express deep concerns about everything Trump is doing, but then they still fall in line and vote to support (or at least not try to stop) all of his nonsense.
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The UCP majority is small enough that a relatively small number of their members standing up against the use of the NWC would have been enough to stop it. The votes for the bill ended up being 44-37 through most of the motions (there were some fluctuations through the proceedings and the final vote was 44-33 as 4 NDP members didn't make the final vote at 2:00am).
4 UCP members standing up to vote No would have been enough to swing it to a 40-41 defeat. Or 8 UCP members just abstaining from the vote would have been enough for it to be defeated.
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Am I correct that you can’t recall a premier as we didn’t elect her, just as an MLA (unlikely to succeed in that riding)?
The Premier can only be recalled from their elected seat but can't be forced to leave. The Premier can and has occupied the role without a seat in the Legislature.
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I like the movement to recall, but the surest way to topple the UCP is for members to cross the floor to Guthrie's PCs. They just have to look to Dear Leader, to see how it's done.
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Rajan Sawhney literally said she will never vote against the UCP regardless of what the idea is or what her constituents want.
Makes sense when you have the house leader Joseph Schow threaten to fight MLA's who vote against the UCP.
Sawney’s husband had this company that does fracture modelling. We were using them for some Montney fracs, their daughter also their, younger engineer, but she has a really lazy eye that’s hard to miss.
This old completion engineer (died recently) would look at me across the table and cross his eyes because he knew that would make me buckle and have to leave the room to laugh like I’m laughing at a funeral. Devious Bruce.
That’s my Sawney story and the wonky eye.
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Recalls are ####ing dumb, regardless of who’s being targeted.
The threshold should be high and they should be reserved for people who get into office and stop representing the will of their constituents or actively take legislative steps to suppress their rights.
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Yes. But these are fine because it's fun to watch ####ing morons get blown up by the petard they were told was a dumb thing to build. The public gets to see just how bad of an idea it is to have people like in power, and turnabout is fair play.
If the only thing that comes out of these recalls is this stupid government learning a lesson, that's still a win. Unless you like that they can have these on the books, but no one is actually supposed to use them except when it suits the UCP's goals. Is that...something you like? Because judging by the petition rule changes, it sure seems like that is how the govenrment intends them to be used. If we can't demonstrate how ridiculous these things are, what's the point in having a voice at all?
Total Recall.
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Recalls are ####ing dumb, regardless of who’s being targeted.
Recall legislation is bad policy; however, the fact that it's being used against the party that thought that this was such a brilliant idea is just hilarious.
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Recall legislation is bad policy; however, the fact that it's being used against the party that thought that this was such a brilliant idea is just hilarious.
Are they bad policy?
If the government had stronger guardrails, like an independent ethics commissions, then having recall legislation would not be required. But with the UCP able to move their ethics reviews from "out of province" to internal and then fire the ethics commissioner to install their own patsy then suddenly you start to see a corrupt government unchecked.
Governments are built on checks and balances and the UCP is specifically working on eliminating all of the checks and balances that reign them in. The most egregious being the use of the Notwithstanding Clause to eliminate the ability for the judicial to be a check on their legislation against the teachers.
The irony is that they created this recall process to attack elected officials they do not like (Gondek) but now the people have turned it into the ultimate check on the provincial government. Once 7 of them are recalled, if they have not called an election we will have a new Premier.
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If the government had stronger guardrails, like an independent ethics commissions, then having recall legislation would not be required. But with the UCP able to move their ethics reviews from "out of province" to internal and then fire the ethics commissioner to install their own patsy then suddenly you start to see a corrupt government unchecked.
Governments are built on checks and balances and the UCP is specifically working on eliminating all of the checks and balances that reign them in. The most egregious being the use of the Notwithstanding Clause to eliminate the ability for the judicial to be a check on their legislation against the teachers.
The irony is that they created this recall process to attack elected officials they do not like (Gondek) but now the people have turned it into the ultimate check on the provincial government. Once 7 of them are recalled, if they have not called an election we will have a new Premier.
I think it's bad policy, and there are several reasons why. We elect governments and representatives for relatively short terms, and there are almost no circumstances where I think the voting public needs a "do-over." Having this option only pushes short-term thinking among politicians and exacerbates polarization.
Like I say, the fact that this is bad policy (in my opinion), only makes it more hilarious that the party that pushed this is facing the consequences.
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