[PGT] Predators defeat Flames 4-2, Nov. 1st

[devo22]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm still waiting for the rebuild to start. (Hint: the current mandate from above is still "win now.")

https://www.nhltradetracker.com/user...aig_Conroy/317

they might not like the R word, but the moves speak for themselves. The team defied the odds in 24-25, but it's been clear for a while where this team is heading.

And that's okay. No other team in the NHL needs or "deserves" a couple of high picks as much as the Flames.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1984724269432013064

"Holy Moly, Tyler Toffoli!". Oddly, I kind of miss that.

[Gaskal]

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by devo22

And that's okay. No other team in the NHL needs or "deserves" a couple of high picks as much as the Flames.

Since the 2005 lockout (21 drafts) there has been one team who has:

- Not made the Conference Championship,
- Not picked more than once in the top five, and
- Not picked five or more times in the top 10.

The Calgary Flames.

Twenty years of being stuck in the middle is too long. Can’t get competitive without high draft picks and either way is suffering. At least this current road could lead to something 4-7 years down the road. Middle just leads to more middle.

[direwolf]

Draft lottery here we come!

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Since the 2005 lockout (21 drafts) there has been one team who has:

- Not made the Conference Championship,
- Not picked more than once in the top five, and
- Not picked five or more times in the top 10.

The Calgary Flames.

Twenty years of being stuck in the middle is too long. Can’t get competitive without high draft picks and either way is suffering. At least this current road could lead to something 4-7 years down the road. Middle just leads to more middle.

"Just make it in. Anything can happen".

No, you'll just end up drafting 14-18 and building a boring mediocre team.
That big flaming C is really accurate - big flaming average.
I hope this start is really making the future direction of this team crystal clear.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Since the 2005 lockout (21 drafts) there has been one team who has:

- Not made the Conference Championship,
- Not picked more than once in the top five, and
- Not picked five or more times in the top 10.

The Calgary Flames.

Twenty years of being stuck in the middle is too long. Can’t get competitive without high draft picks and either way is suffering. At least this current road could lead to something 4-7 years down the road. Middle just leads to more middle.

That’s true but we’re talking a difference of 1-2 times.

Toronto, Calgary, and Minnesota are all virtually the same during that time frame.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Unless something changes, this may be the worst season ever for this team.Worse than 2014/15 which was a team that literally had no talent and regularly iced a 4th line entirely made up of goons. I think there's actually quite a bit of talent on this team, so the fact that they're losing this much is shocking, and I wonder if something is breaking or broken in that locker room. All the good vibes around the team that we saw last year are completely gone. It's a little disturbing to watch.

Disagree. Last year wasn't about talent, they got a lot of breaks, and it kept their confidence up and they kept finding ways to get a win here and an OTL there. They over achieved.

Many of us were calling for regression.

The room isn't broken, they just started out of the gates in an offensive slump, and they aren't COL, they can't just turn it up.

Rebuilds are ugly. People need to stop freaking out, stop blaming the coach, and stop whining (not directed at you). It's fine. It will take time. And it is probably going to get worse before it gets better.

But speculating that the room is broken is poiness.and unfounded.

[EDMONTONisNG]

Full on tank, let's go!

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s true but we’re talking a difference of 1-2 times.

Toronto, Calgary, and Minnesota are all virtually the same during that time frame.

Toronto drafted 6 times in the top 10 and 4 times in the top 5. Regarding the playoffs, they're pretty similarly bad, but the Leafs did make game 7 of the 2nd round, which is a fair bit better than the Flames have done in the two times they made the 2nd round. Overall, the Leafs have more on Hoot's list than the Flames.

The Wild are a very apt comparison though. And that's almost more damning. Yay, we're only having slightly less success than the Minnesota Wild over the last 2 decades!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Toronto drafted 6 times in the top 10 and 4 times in the top 5. Regarding the playoffs, they're pretty similarly bad, but the Leafs did make game 7 of the 2nd round, which is a fair bit better than the Flames have done in the two times they made the 2nd round. Overall, the Leafs have more on Hoot's list than the Flames.

The Wild are a very apt comparison though. And that's almost more damning. Yay, we're only having slightly less success than the Minnesota Wild over the last 2 decades!

Isn’t it more damning to be a team with more picks in the top ten/five and not have made the conference finals?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Isn’t it more damning to be a team with more picks in the top ten/five and not have made the conference finals?

Oh absolutely. But it's no comfort to me as a Flames fan, to sit back and say we've failed as much as the Leafs have, but hey "we weren't supposed to win anyway because we didn't have the talent to win".

I want us to build a winner dude. It's not more complicated than that. And we haven't done it for a really, really, really long time.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Since the 2005 lockout (21 drafts) there has been one team who has:

- Not made the Conference Championship,
- Not picked more than once in the top five, and
- Not picked five or more times in the top 10.

The Calgary Flames.

Twenty years of being stuck in the middle is too long. Can’t get competitive without high draft picks and either way is suffering. At least this current road could lead to something 4-7 years down the road. Middle just leads to more middle.

Hopefully a start, they need like 3-4 top 5 picks , not just one

They practically have 1 star potential skater in the system

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s true but we’re talking a difference of 1-2 times.

Toronto, Calgary, and Minnesota are all virtually the same during that time frame.

... a 15 second search showed me Toronto four times in the top five since 2005.

[TheScorpion]

Off the top of my head: Matthews, Marner, Rielly, and Schenn?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Oh absolutely. But it's no comfort to me as a Flames fan, to sit back and say we've failed as much as the Leafs have, but hey "we weren't supposed to win anyway because we didn't have the talent to win".

I want us to build a winner dude. It's not more complicated than that. And we haven't done it for a really, really, really long time.

I don’t think it’s supposed to be a comfort? Everyone wants the Flames to build a winner.

Originally Posted by Wedge

... a 15 second search showed me Toronto four times in the top five since 2005.

Sorry a difference of 3 times in 20 years and 2 times in the top ten in 20 years

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think it’s supposed to be a comfort? Everyone wants the Flames to build a winner.

In 35 years, literally the only thing we haven't tried is bottoming out. I'm thinking it may be time to try it. Yes there will be pain, yes there will be a bunch of awful years. But I don't see any realistic alternative at this point.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

In 35 years, literally the only thing we haven't tried is bottoming out. I'm thinking it may be time to try it. Yes there will be pain, yes there will be a bunch of awful years. But I don't see any realistic alternative at this point.

They tried bottoming out in the Young Guns period, but nearly every year there was at least one expansion team that got preferential treatment in the draft. Some of the top picks simply weren't available for existing teams.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They tried bottoming out in the Young Guns period, but nearly every year there was at least one expansion team that got preferential treatment in the draft. Some of the top picks simply weren't available for existing teams.

They never picked top 5 during that period. So maybe they tried bottoming out in some sense, but they never actually did what was required to ensure multiple top 5 picks (with some top 3s in the mix). Not entirely their fault, I get it.

But the opportunity to finally get some top picks is right here in front of them. I don't see any reason to not embrace it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

In 35 years, literally the only thing we haven't tried is bottoming out. I'm thinking it may be time to try it. Yes there will be pain, yes there will be a bunch of awful years. But I don't see any realistic alternative at this point.

Man, what?

90s and early 2010s erasure aside, we just traded half our roster with two more vets the block, have one of the lowest payrolls in the entire league, and have 2 wins on the season.

The ship you’re ready to see set sail has been out of sight for a year already.