2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Sure but these were used as examples of trading players before they were becoming UFA's

They were both traded because they were becoming UFA's and the Flames weren't going to sign them.

And they got a player back as the primary part of the Toffoli deal as well, not futures.

A six-year younger player and a third-round pick. How is that not future-oriented? Would you not presume a younger player would have a longer future in the NHL at that point?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by D as in David

A six-year younger player and a third-round pick. How is that not future-oriented? Would you not presume a younger player would have a longer future in the NHL at that point?

In hindsight they probably would have been better off getting picks as the player has kind of turned into an albatross contract for the team. This is the issue with trading for B tier players to which the Flames already have plenty of.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by D as in David

A six-year younger player and a third-round pick. How is that not future-oriented? Would you not presume a younger player would have a longer future in the NHL at that point?

I don't classify a 25 year old as "futures" - Thats an established player

But the point was they traded Toffoli, entering his UFA year for a player to help that season and going forward - Not future picks as the main component of the trade

It was certainly future oriented. I certainly don't think the Flames have made any moves recently that weren't future oriented.

I just don't think they have (had) fully embraced the inevitable and thought they could somehow speed up the 'retool' (rebuild) and what will be an entire roster over hall by the time it's done. Heck a lot of fans on this board thought or still think having Wolf means we can come out of this faster and compete quicker then any modern rebuild.

Hopefully this start makes them realize its better to completely pull the band aid off and do it properly

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

In hindsight they probably would have been better off getting picks as the player has kind of turned into an albatross contract for the team. This is the issue with trading for B tier players to which the Flames already have plenty of.

It was looking like a steal from the start. However, maybe it is best to not lock down UFAs before seeing them play with a larger sample size. I was part of the group that wanted Sharangovich locked down ASAP, and now it looks like it is biting us in the butt. He could've been a deadline deal a couple years ago. Our forward prospects in the cupboards started showing a lot of promise too, so the log jam at forward started when the new contract kicked in. Just simply a classic case of terrible timing.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It was looking like a steal from the start. However, maybe it is best to not lock down UFAs before seeing them play with a larger sample size. I was part of the group that wanted Sharangovich locked down ASAP, and now it looks like it is biting us in the butt. He could've been a deadline deal a couple years ago. Our forward prospects in the cupboards started showing a lot of promise too, so the log jam at forward started when the new contract kicked in. Just simply a classic case of terrible timing.

That's fine in theory, but the risk is, if their play does improve you lost a chance to lock them up cheaper.


It's the way the NHL is moving - paying for potential rather than paying a guy whose best years are behind him. When it works out it seems like a shrewd tactic. When it doesn't, it's a boneheaded move.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah that happened pretty much exactly as I and a handful of others predicted it would. The guys turned it on when it didn't matter anymore and still missed, ensuring us a worse draft pick while still missing the playoffs. I don't know what point you're trying to make but you're really bad at it.

You know the team was never in the bottom 10 during all that time, right? And it was Montreal that had that pick?

I do know what point you're trying to make – and you're really bad at it.

Now please show me where, at the deadline when the Flames were in a playoff spot, you predicted that they would finish with 96 points and still miss.

[dino7c]

Flames were also 20 seconds away from a playoff spot
and/or
One Blues loss in a franchise best streak away

They weren't out of it until game 81 and a half...I guess they turned it on vs. LA when they sat a ton of guys, good logic

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I don't classify a 25 year old as "futures" - Thats an established player

But the point was they traded Toffoli, entering his UFA year for a player to help that season and going forward - Not future picks as the main component of the trade

It was certainly future oriented. I certainly don't think the Flames have made any moves recently that weren't future oriented.

I just don't think they have (had) fully embraced the inevitable and thought they could somehow speed up the 'retool' (rebuild) and what will be an entire roster over hall by the time it's done. Heck a lot of fans on this board thought or still think having Wolf means we can come out of this faster and compete quicker then any modern rebuild.

Hopefully this start makes them realize its better to completely pull the band aid off and do it properly

A rebuild doesn't necessarily have to be many years of tanking in a row. There are multiple teams who pulled off successful rebuilds by dipping in and out of that top 5 pick range. The Panthers and Colorado are great examples. They hit top picks, but would have good and bad seasons throughout their rebuild. It paid off for them, as they were able to hit the ground running, with all the accessory parts, when their stars did start to flourish.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You know the team was never in the bottom 10 during all that time, right? And it was Montreal that had that pick?

I do know what point you're trying to make – and you're really bad at it.

Now please show me where, at the deadline when the Flames were in a playoff spot, you predicted that they would finish with 96 points and still miss.

Man when you take a break from defending pedos and hating trans people, you really lose your cool.

It's not my responsibility to show you things, you are presumably an adult who knows how the search function works. Though that assumption is becoming harder to defend with each passing day.

Yes, Montreal had the pick UNLESS The flames finished bottom 10. Something they probably had a chance of doing if they actively sold players like Rasmus Andersson or Nazem Kadri or Blake Coleman. (AARON G THESE ARE THE PLAYERS, THE SAME PLAYERS WE HAVE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT).
They chose not to do that- reasons being that they wanted to "compete" and beleived in the roster.
Well, that belief didn't work out. Predictably. Now they are finally coming to terms (10 months too late) about where we are in the team building process to make a contender. And now we have lost a year of time for rebuilding, a year that will have impacts on Wolf's window.

[Calgary4LIfe]

My personal preference were for the Flames to have moved on from Andersson in the off-season after getting rid of the bulk of the vets - Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev, etc. I think it would have maximized Andersson's value given his contract was an asset in itself, as well as (hindsight) before his numbers declined somewhat. This is 100% a hill that I die on.


I would still have rather sold Andersson at the deadline last season, as that would have assured the Flames of a better pick (keeping their own probably - but not necessarily). So I would have preferred to trade him then, I am 100% ok with the decision to have kept him as well. Flames were looking like playoffs was an achievable goal, so you don't want to artificially put an end to that. Plus, we don't know what the offers were anyway.


Now he will move at some point. It is what it is. If I were to guess, I believe the difference in value from my initial preference to whenver he does get moved, is probably the equaivalent of a 2nd round pick. Valuable, but I am not going to cry and pout about it either.


The Flames are in last place, and they are the only team in that bottom section that is likely to get substantially worse between now and the deadline. I think they will comfortably finish somewhere in the bottom 3, with perhaps last overall. That sucks greatly from an entertainment standpoint, but you know what? I fricken miss Johnny Gaudreau (RIP). He was so fun to watch, and though last year's team were plucky and easy to cheer for, they weren't exactly fun to watch.


Why do we really watch hockey? At the bare minimum, hockey is an entertainment business. There aren't really any players that are very entertaining right now on the team, are there? Goodness knows that no entertaining players will come here as UFAs either. If the Flames draft McKenna, this team will instantly become entertaining again. If they draft high again next draft (hopefully Dupont - that's really beating the odds, however!), how fantastic would this team become? Pretty damn entertaining.


This is going to be a boring, painful watch for the majority of this season, and perhaps next season as well. It will get better, and it will eventually become really fun to be a Flames' fan again. 2 first round picks last year, 2 first round picks (and counting) for the 2026 draft, and likely 2 first round picks for the 2027 draft too. Lots of prospects shining now. This is going to be a fun team to watch again.


I appreciate the vets right now. Backlund, Coleman, Kadri, Weegar, Huberdeau, Lomberg and Andersson. They are all playing hard and doing their best, and it would be way easier to just coast at this point. Some may be guilty of overplaying and trying to do too much, but I don't see anyone coasting. They are a very likeable bunch. When they get traded, I will be sad to see them go, even if I do get excited with the returns. There is no other way than to continue with this rebuild. It is the best way forward. You don't have to cheer for losses (I certainly don't), but you can accept them a little easier (except for a few teams like the filthy greasers up north).


I just don't understand the complaining. This team is in a full rebuild. I am not sure why there is still some angst left here, and how people are arguing, or even insinuating that the Flames are only rebuilding because nobody wanted to re-sign. Regardless of the circumstances (which contrary to everyone's opinion, is open for interpretation as none of us were in on those individual negotiations and planning), it doesn't matter squat. What matters is where the Flames are today, and where they are headed towards tomorrow. If this isn't a full tear-down rebuild, I must be crazy, as it seems more of a tear down rebuild than almost any other team I can think of that finished with the 1st overall picks in the last 20 seasons.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames were also 20 seconds away from a playoff spot
and/or
One Blues loss in a franchise best streak away

They weren't out of it until game 81 and a half...I guess they turned it on vs. LA when they sat a ton of guys, good logic

20 seconds away is still away. They didn't make it. It doesn't matter how close they were, it didn't happen. It's something we can say with certainty because it already passed, there is no way to go back and change that result. The flames missed the playoffs. No additional thought or context is needed. They didn't make it.

[dino7c]

complain when they win, complain when they lose

must be fun lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

20 seconds away is still away. They didn't make it. It doesn't matter how close they were, it didn't happen. It's something we can say with certainty because it already passed, there is no way to go back and change that result. The flames missed the playoffs. No additional thought or context is needed. They didn't make it.

And 31 teams didn't win the cup...really they all should have tanked an kept their picks. Every team is worse for not doing that

its the same logic without context as you like

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

complain when they win, complain when they lose

must be fun lol

Yeah, what you and Jay do around here is extremely irritating. Look, Jay's last 20 ish posts have nothing self generated or interesting in them at all, they're all just criticizing other people's posts in petulant ways. You i barely ever take off ignore these days because it's useless to even read what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I really do think it will be different this time.

That was my post that Jay started to get angry about and set all of this off. You can see it's not complaining. I even say that I believe it will be different in the post. Y'all are humorless and just rude.

[dino7c]

lol like I care if you have me on ignore, although everyone who has me on ignore cosistently quotes me somehow

look at your entire post history, all you do is complain about kids game that is supposed to be fun. Cant be healthy.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would purchase the Flames and treat them as my play thing, thus probably f'ing it up even more. I would expect to have a heavy handed in all trades and drafting. In fact I would sit at the draft table.

But that's what I would do. What's the point in being a billionaire if you can't be a meddlesome owner?

Oh man I would be a nightmare.
But I would have a TON of fun until the league kicks me out.

Is this exactly what an owner is doing in the NFL. I don’t recall her name but she’s on the sidelines with headphones on.


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[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And 31 teams didn't win the cup...really they all should have tanked an kept their picks. Every team is worse for not doing that

its the same logic without context as you like

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again.

Personally I am enjoying your daily meltdowns on how close the Flames are to winning almost every game they play.

[Tbull8]

Don’t be surprised if Weegar trade talks persist this year…

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again.

Personally I am enjoying your daily meltdowns on how close the Flames are to winning almost every game they play.

we are talking about last year and I'm not the one melting down

Its a ####ing kids game, I enjoy it at all times while others complain when they lose and complain when they win. I have more important things in life hockey is a little break, why not be positive? I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't enjoy last season...must be a tough way to live life. Flames were a top 10 team for 3 months out of nowhere, it was a fun ride. And reality check they didn't have the pick anyway.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Thank you for the feedback. I will check my notes next time.

You just love stepping on rakes every discussion, eh?